Kingston Parkrun says that a participant who pushed a cyclist off her bike on a towpath alongside the River Thames at the weekend will no be welcome at future events..
Founded in southwest London in 2004, the 5-kilometre timed events are now held on Saturday mornings in around two dozen countries worldwide, with more than 600 locations in the UK alone.
In a post on its Facebook page on Saturday, Kingston Parkrun said that “the runner who chose to push a cyclist off her bike today is not welcome” at the event.
In a reply on the thread, the cyclist said: “Thanks for your concern, I am ok, but at the time was really upset and in shock that this happened. I might have been shoved but it certainly felt like I was punched in the arm and with enough force to stop me cycling. It was painful and I was in tears. No one stopped to check I was ok and the person who hit me certainly didn't even though I shouted after them. Thank you to the race director for taking time to listen to me and to follow this up. I regularly use the towpath and usually avoid using it on Saturday mornings but forgot today and by the time I'd met the runners couldn't change to a different route. But this shouldn't have resulted in someone physically assaulting me.
In reply, Kingston Parkrun said: “I am so sorry that this happened to you. It is not acceptable for any runner to assault anyone and doing it during parkrun is against the ethos of parkrun. I hope someone can step forward and identify who it was.”
The perpetrator does not appear to have been identified as yet but another post on the thread highlighted a similar issue elsewhere on the river (although not on a Parkrun event): “It's sad to hear but as a cyclist who has also been shoved into brambles on the tow path by a runner (Walton part and another event not Parkrun) it is far more common than just this.
"There are more and more running events along the river path and it really does become too much on the weekends. Parkrun isn't the problem at all. Maybe the path needs to be closed off for some of the other events that aren't as well stewarded," the poster added.
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For a moment I thought the A264 cycle-path story was related to the photo immediately below it. "I mean, that is a bad surface, but at on the plus side you can't see the A264 from it, and it's actually quite scenic, so it's not all bad"
Looks a lot safer than the A264 as well.
@Brooksby this is interesting - https://www.move-lab.com/project/whatthestreet/berlin?bike=0.33&rail=0.3...
Thanks, thats really interesting.
I think this - http://www.copenhagenize.com/2015/12/arrogance-of-parking-space-copenhagen.html - was the article I was thinking of.
EDIT: I had a play with your linked site, peted76, and it says "London has 12,000,563 m2 of car parking. This area is about 4.5 Hyde Park".
It also says "London has 156,808 m2 of (presumably dedicated) bike parking. This area is about 22 Soccer Fields."
113/117 = 0.9658
0.9658 x 100 = 96.58%
100 - 96.58 = 3.42% reduction from 2008 to 2017
However these things are always open to manipulation. Pick your start and end dates to paint the picture you want to show. I suspect choosing a date other than 2002 would tell a different story.
regarding the e-bikes, in the period 2008-2017 in the European country with the biggest sales (Germany) cycling overall has gone down dramatically, coinciding with year on year increases in e-bike sales. The period 2002-2008 saw a 17% increase in cycling journeys, for the 02-17 period cycling journeys had gone up by only 13% which means a fall in journeys. Modal share of cycling has also not increased unsurprisingly.
I can't figure out how to do the maths to work out the reduction for the 08-17 period but it's interesting that when you look at car sales for the 02-08 period they were down and the 08-17 period car sales in Germany were on the up (as has been e-bike sales)
The Netherlands also shows exactly the same problem, huge e-bike sales but overall cycling has not changed in modal share. So going by the bare facts e-bikes are not encouraging motorists out of their cars in the two leading European e-bike user countries, somewhat worrying for their proponents who state that they will create a revolustion in transport.
The A264 cycle path, being of mud and gravel will soon become overgrown with weeds, and even more useless.
I've just read through that tweeter thread. Pretty awful response from Cross Country - "You'll need to find a way of hanging it up yourself, or get help" - and I've had a look through the link to their website.
As someone who (almost) never travels by train, and never have with a bike, is this standard operating procedure?
tl:dr translation: We have a train that can carry hundreds of people but only two bikes (maybe three, at a push). You can reserve a space or just turn up, but our staff might decide there isn't room and turn you away. Well, not you, but your bike, so you'll need to go and lock it up somewhere and then come back to the train before it leaves. But the bike was important for your journey? Not our problem, but we can offer you a link to a Brompton rental place...
Simple solution burtthebike, if it isn’t moving it isn’t using. Take away on street parking and make roads solely for people moving, there will be plenty of space. A parked car is an inanimate object with no rights, so it can’t feel hurt by being excluded.
Unfortunately, not quite that simple. Remove all the parked cars and motor traffic speeds would increase significantly. All the parked vehicles effectively create pinch points and slow the rest of them. If the parking element was removed and converted to proper, segregated cycle routes, then yes, that would solve a lot of the problems.
I remember seeing a map which showed how much area within various cities was taken up with parking for motor vehicles, and it was extraordinary - and that was before you started counting in on-street parking (ie. cars lined up alongside the roadway and up onto pavements, obviously).
The fact that Parkrun and cyclists are competing for the same space says one thing: we need more space.
Our community spaces, the roads, have been denied us by drivers who demand that we bow down before them and get out of their way. If if wasn't for drivers, there would be plenty of safe space for cyclists and pedestrians to co-exist, but we are all denied that space by those with power and money. XR are right; we don't need minor changes, we need a fundamental change, in this case, one where drivers are the ones with no rights, and pedestrians and cyclists have rights, not just whenever the jucicial system feels like we deserve them.
"Anti-cycling peer wants cyclists ... to raise money for his charity."
I'm pretty innured to the utter nastiness of the privatised "charity-fund-raising" business (where huge amounts go to the 'private-sector-events-organisers', and small change to the charity). Utterly nasty.
But Winston's cynicism defies belief ... WTAF?
What happened on the towpath was an assault. A criminal offence. That is that really. You'll find most of the things outlined by various correspondents are against criminal law.
That they are a) not reported b) not dealt with by police does not make them any less criminal.
I wear 3/4 length baggies for when winter properly hits, supplemented with water resistant thermal knee warmers when it gets really cold/wet.
On the towpath thing - whilst there can be conflict between users, and a little bit of common sense goes a long way, there does appear to be a pattern whereby Canal and Rivers Trust bang on about anti-social cyclists, but do bugger all about violence towards cyclists by other people who think they own the canal. Near us there have been regular threats by other towpath users towards cyclists, including some actual attacks on cyclists, and the Canal and Rivers Trust have done absolutely nothing about it, other than to victim-blame the cyclists.
To be fair to them, what are they supposed to do about individuals attacking other individuals? That's the job of the police (assuming they can spare time away from disrupting XR disruptions).
Well, at least they could tell people at these public meetings that threats of violence towards cycling are unacceptable (been there, witnessed the failure to even condemn comments like "i'm going to push the next cyclist I see into the canal". The response was something like "oh well, we put signs up telling cyclists not to speed")
Park run is great - people are idiots.
Parkrun is a bit like a clubrun / groupride. Operates in (usually public) spaces so should follow the rules of the road (or path). Parkrun are very clear in all instructions to give way to other park users. Sadly there are people who think that they are more important that others - even to the point of violence.
Practically the only thing Parkrun can do if they find who did it is to ban the person. But they could set up a new account with different personal data. Like Strava really.
I'd hope that other ParkRunners can come forward as witnesses and then the person can be charged via the correct route - via the Police (presumably for assault?).
There are 4 within easy reach of my house. Banning the offender from one would just mean re-registering with a different email address and going to a different one. Not sure there is anything they could do beyond that, without making entry for Parkrun more difficult ... which would kind of defeat the point.
Bloody Parkrunners, coming to our parks, taking our trails. Send em all home!
I parkrun sometimes and I think, in the main it's a real success for the country as a whole. I can't think of another scheme which has ever gotten so many people together on a Saturday morning for some exercise. In the summer my local parkrun will get upto 650 runners of all sorts together. There is however 'always one' dog walker going in the opposite direction looking grumpy about it. It's all over by 09:45, I think you've got to be pretty grumpy to begrudge a parkrun.
It's a shame that the cyclist felt she should avoid a public space on a Saturday. Why can't we all just play nicely together?
So these running gangs basically just expect to take over shared used paths by force of numbers?
I hear complaints about cyclists going through red lights, blah, blah but what about the plague of runners, nearly all of which have music poured into their ears, so are paying zero attention, who also seem unable to even stop when they get to a crossing of any sort? They should have licence plates on their backs! Some of them won't even run on the pavement either!
My wife says:
"Probably a regular runner who pays no attention to the brief given before every run that we share the space and other users have as much right as us to be there."
Also nearly all proper competitive running events ban the use of headphones and earphones.
Yeah, these runners all need to be licenced, registered, wear number plates, pay tax to use the public parks, wear helmets and hi-viz... etc.
And helmets, obviously.
Ooo - well, that told 'em!
Especially as they don't actually know who it is, then how are they supposed to ban the offender?
Whilst white lining may be money poorly spent it's an effective way to direct motorists' and motoring groups' anger at poor highway infra at someone other than the councils.
Why moan at the council about potholed roads when you can moan about cyclists not using the (potholed) painted cycle lane?
Not only that, with the cyclist in the road you can take instant revenge as complaining to the council will only waste time.
Should also be banned due to reinforcing the perception that the minimum required passing distance is the thickness of a white line!
Although, in the defence of the ones with a solid white line, at least it gives me a clear run past all the nose-to-tail cars on my way to work - the rest of the time, I really don't want or need them.
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