Cross Country labelled ‘ableist’ over train bike racks; Jacquelinet wins Trans Pyrenees Race; Freeman tribunal date set; Proviz launches bike lights; People in cars more exposed to air pollution; XR improve London cycling +more on the live blog

jollygoodvelo wrote:

Re: Proviz battery life - mAh does relate to run-time, it means the battery could produce 2600mA for one hour; without knowing the power (in W) and voltage of the system it's not possible to calculate an expected life in hours.

2600mAh is a pretty big battery though, it's very similar to the one fitted to an iPhone X for example.

Fairly average for an 18650 cell commonly used in similar sized lights. I would imagine the 600x more than standard is inept marketing speak for a rechargeable rather than disposable battery, ignoring the fact that 95% (guess) of high power lights are now rechargeable.

Rick_Rude wrote:

What sort of vehicle does the cockwomble drive?

Audi! 

Judge dreadful wrote:

The woman on the bike makes a fair point. I love the idiot protesters that park their huge wankpanzers at the most convenient place ( for them ) then start protesting about people driving wankpanzers and contributing to climate change. Bloody idiots. Not to mention the idiots at Smithfield's, who were causing no end of problems to the traders, and carrying "beef = grief" placards, then disappearing to Burger King for lunch. 

Are wankpanzers driven by wankpuffins?  Is this a new word we're going to start using?

On a related issue, saw this in the Grauniad: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-deadly-problem-should-we-ban-suvs-from-our-cities

Judge dreadful wrote:

The woman on the bike makes a fair point. I love the idiot protesters that park their huge wankpanzers at the most convenient place ( for them ) then start protesting about people driving wankpanzers and contributing to climate change.

Buy your wankpanzer here https://pghs-store.myshopify.com/products/german-tiger-i-electric-remote...

Samtheeagle wrote:

Wow - pick the bits out of that. Gotta agree with some of Xena's post there. I work in Env Conservation for decades. Recycling is a tool to manipulate people to feel good about a middleclass infatuation with buying stuff and is itself all about money. Electric cars are BS because the real issue is we want to manufacture/sell stuff and want to drive everywhere. The real solution to the issues of congestion and consumption is not more (but different cars) but less cars making less journeys. Electric cars are driven by batteries that rely on materials from war torn areas and that are in limited supply. This is not a world solution it is a first world marketing opportunity. Tesla cars are being added to people's personal fleet rather than substituting (I know of 3 families locally who now have a Tesla in addition to the 4 other cars they have).

On a more general point raised by Pete; Governments/Local Authorities and so forth work with your money! If you want them to spend more money on greener transport etc then vote in a Party/candidate who is offering to do that. There is another argument that the actions of individuals can be powerful if taken on by all individuals. How much water do you use? If it is yellow do you let it mellow or do you flush? How often do you wash your car? Do you water your lawn with a hose or water from the bath? Does the tap run the whole time you are shaving (legs or face) or do you just run a bowl and shave in that? All of these things and more are important small steps that make a difference. The water companies  are legally obliged to provide you and I with water and this is completely at the expense of the environment. Further, when you clear your house of debris do you pay a licenced carrier to clear away the waste or the first person with a tipper truck who rocks up on your doorstep (if you choose the latter to save cash chances are the waste will turn up in one of the woodlands I manage for wildlife).

Finally, I am a conservation professional not a crusty seed eating freak. I am also a person who cycles frequently and drives a car. Stereotyping in all sectors of society is unhelpful - you get that, right?

Good reply adding some real world experience in an area that you have significant experience in. I liked your list of ‘little things’ and I’m glad to say I do nearly all of them (now where’s that smug smiley?) but we can all do more.

The idea of pollution tax I’d to spend it on counter measures, but I’m sure we all know it probably just goes into the general taxation pot and is spent by the chancellor coming up to an election!

Not sure the generalised ranting by Xena can be taken as evidence of anything. Sure we have shipped our waste to landfil sites in the Far East, this is the sort of stuff that has to change, but ranting about the science and the scientists being wrong and killing dictators or not doesn’t seem to be evidence of anything that he claims.

I suppose we should have just let Hitler go about his business unhindered rather than spend trillions and kill millions in trying to stop him...

The unfortunate thing in modern times is the likes of Tony Blair taking a stance that was illegal to secure fossil fuel supplies and to topple Saddam then subsequent leaders not finishing the jobs they started in Afghan to rid the people of the tyranny that is the Taliban and then not helping out the poor people of Syria. Looks like the US is going to assist IS by pulling out and allowing Turkey to murder the Kurds...

PP

Xena wrote:

Environmental issues are completely different to climat change bullshit .

recycling for instance has never worked , we the western world have been shipping our shit out to Asian countries. Go check for yourself , not got time to post links.

All the data you get from the government is from the IPCC. It’s been shown time and time again that they altered this data to pursue this goal. Green tax for instance is worth trillions of dollars “ trillions” 

so companys get taxed for their carbon footprint ( that’s mostly bullshit science) so they pay a tax and they just carry on doing what they have been doing and then they charge their customers ,”that’s us”extra to cover the cost of the tax they pay ,,,,,,it’s called a fucking scam . 

Polars bear population has increased . Crop yeild is higher than it ever was .  The US just has one of its coldest years ,remember the sub zero temperatures in the east . 

Sea levels are not rising ,the Saudis invested millions on the Maldives in 2017 . The Maldives have been one of the places they the fake scientists say should be underwater well fuck me it’s thriving.

so are the Fuji islands, infact land mass as  increased  ...oh yeah and in Greta’s own  city Gothenburg the sea level has lowered , lowered . These are facts  you can check for your self .

There are thousands of climate experts who are not under the  thumb of the government’s and are showing You the real statistics  ,data .  There is even a video on line of 25 NASA experts pointing these facts out . 

It’s always about money , always .  Wake the fuck up people go do some research, look into things for yourself  why do you believe in governments who are indebted to banks etc and cut your services to the core yet are happy to then spend millions ,billions on weapons to fight wars they instigate because they want other  countries resources. Tell me  how bombing the shit out of Syria ,Iraq etc killing all those innocent people , just to get one fucking man ie. Hussain or  Assad is ok?

does that make sense ? Why the fuck would you destroy countries and peoples way of lives to get one man ,,,,,,it’s fuckery of insane lunatics . If you think it’s justified then your empathy level needs rebooting.  Back to to work 

 

For real???

Xena wrote:

Polars bear population has increased . Crop yeild is higher than it ever was .  The US just has one of its coldest years ,remember the sub zero temperatures in the east . 

Sea levels are not rising ,the Saudis invested millions on the Maldives in 2017 . The Maldives have been one of the places they the fake scientists say should be underwater well fuck me it’s thriving.

so are the Fuji islands, infact land mass as  increased  ...oh yeah and in Greta’s own  city Gothenburg the sea level has lowered , lowered . These are facts  you can check for your self .

Follow the money is always a good bet, but most of your rants are just half truths, myths and stupidity. You know the numeric size of individual data,  but not the value - the reason.

Polar bears populations increasing, decreaseing and stable depending on where you look, in spite of ice-cover loss - go and look at the historical reason for some of that. Crop yields the same, everywhere you look up and down, for many differing reasons.

US weather is weather - it's not the global energy balance - we really shouldn't be having to say such basic things after this amount of time FFS.

Sea-levels ? Globally rising, and the planet doesn't give a crap about what the Saudis invest in. Fiji - I guess you mean - has decreases and increases, some dramatic, in land mass. Usable land mass increase ? Nah, not really, go and actually look at the reason for the increase in spite of the contemporaneously measure sea level rise.

Sea level at local points in and around the Baltic ? Up and down - trending up for the most part - go look at the PSMSL data for the stations around Gothenburg and Sweden and Denmark more generally - single datum, useless cherry picking . I doubt you even bothered looking at the wind data and why that might be important.

I get it, you're not naive and know that big business is behind a lot of moves - but fuck me, there isn't enough tin in the whole fucking planet to make a hat thick enough to protect a brain from the range of bullshit you're quoting - some of which is perpetrated and enabled by the very vested interests you're calling out.  Christ on a bike.. 

fukawitribe wrote:

Follow the money is always a good bet, but most of your rants are just half truths, myths and stupidity... 

I get it, you're not naive and know that big business is behind a lot of moves - but fuck me, there isn't enough tin in the whole fucking planet to make a hat thick enough to protect a brain from the range of bullshit you're quoting - some of which is perpetrated and enabled by the very vested interests you're calling out.  Christ on a bike.. 

There's a cafe / wine bar near me that has a sandwich board outside - not to sell its wares, but to spout conspiracy theories. Normally it has a message about the health risks of the 5G mobile network (which incidentally, are rated lower than the booze they are happy to sell inside), but recently it put up a new diatribe about how climate change is in no way caused by humans, but is purely due to the 25 year cycle of the sun, so go forth and pollute with impunity. I wanted to go and tell them what dangerous irresponsible nonsense it was, but thought I'd be just as bad as them if I didn't go and brush up on the scientific consensus first. Clearly someone had a word though, as I haven't seen it since.    

Xena wrote:

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recycling for instance has never worked  blah blah blah blah blah

 

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It has. I purchased a 2nd hand road bike then passed it on to my brother, he uses it instead of the car twice a week.

alansmurphy wrote:

Xena wrote:

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recycling for instance has never worked  blah blah blah blah blah

 

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It has. I purchased a 2nd hand road bike then passed it on to my brother, he uses it instead of the car twice a week.

That's reuse, not recycling..................

Xena wrote:

Environmental issues are completely different to climat change bullshit .

recycling for instance has never worked , we the western world have been shipping our shit out to Asian countries. Go check for yourself , not got time to post links.

All the data you get from the government is from the IPCC. It’s been shown time and time again that they altered this data to pursue this goal. Green tax for instance is worth trillions of dollars “ trillions” 

so companys get taxed for their carbon footprint ( that’s mostly bullshit science) so they pay a tax and they just carry on doing what they have been doing and then they charge their customers ,”that’s us”extra to cover the cost of the tax they pay ,,,,,,it’s called a fucking scam . 

Polars bear population has increased . Crop yeild is higher than it ever was .  The US just has one of its coldest years ,remember the sub zero temperatures in the east . 

Sea levels are not rising ,the Saudis invested millions on the Maldives in 2017 . The Maldives have been one of the places they the fake scientists say should be underwater well fuck me it’s thriving.

so are the Fuji islands, infact land mass as  increased  ...oh yeah and in Greta’s own  city Gothenburg the sea level has lowered , lowered . These are facts  you can check for your self .

There are thousands of climate experts who are not under the  thumb of the government’s and are showing You the real statistics  ,data .  There is even a video on line of 25 NASA experts pointing these facts out . 

It’s always about money , always .  Wake the fuck up people go do some research, look into things for yourself  why do you believe in governments who are indebted to banks etc and cut your services to the core yet are happy to then spend millions ,billions on weapons to fight wars they instigate because they want other  countries resources. Tell me  how bombing the shit out of Syria ,Iraq etc killing all those innocent people , just to get one fucking man ie. Hussain or  Assad is ok?

does that make sense ? Why the fuck would you destroy countries and peoples way of lives to get one man ,,,,,,it’s fuckery of insane lunatics . If you think it’s justified then your empathy level needs rebooting.  Back to to work 

You OK hun?

Rick_Rude wrote:

The problem I have with Extinction Rebellion is a)they're telling the wrong people off, stick it China and India, b)I don't think it's what's being consumed that's the problem, it's the fact there's too many consumers. If we stop buying one thing, we'll want to buy another. If we stop buying stuff then......

If you look at pollution and waste per head of population then we are far worse than China and India. So XR are telling the right people.

Sorry

Rick_Rude wrote:

The problem I have with Extinction Rebellion is a)they're telling the wrong people off, stick it China and India, b)I don't think it's what's being consumed that's the problem, it's the fact there's too many consumers. If we stop buying one thing, we'll want to buy another. If we stop buying stuff then......

Do you not like being told off?

Though I think it's the government they are addressing primarily, not individuals. Individual actions are a drop in the ocean if the £25bn of roadbuilding, Heathrow 3rd runway and other airport expansion schemes, HS2 and the replacement for Trident are implemented.

But yes, I'm sure we can find someone else to blame. Those people in countries manufacturing the electronic gizmos, clothes and other goods we buy much cheaper than if they were made here, where they have lax laws and no protection for workers from exploitation, where parents and kids living in hovels manually process our toxic waste for us. Yeah, blame them, it's all their fault for wanting 25p a day* in order to buy some mouldy rice and a bit of paraffin for their tin shack's only lamp.

OK, now that we've blamed them, what happens next?

As for recycling, since it's so obviously a racket I'll stop doing it right away. Who's volunteering to take it off my hands? Or perhaps I should toss it out of the car window like all the other selfish idiots.

And I need to stop washing my car? I hadn't realised that my actions with a bucket and sponge would make such a potent contribution to wrecking the environment. I'm also depriving every other Severn-Trent water customer of clean drinking water (though in reality the water I use to wash my car returns promptly to the catchment... which probably means it's adding to the flood misery of those living further down the Severn. Aaaarghh!). And I didn't realise shaving could be seen as an act of wanton destruction (face only, in case you're wondering).

I've read some bollocks on here but this discussion really has taken the biscuit.

* this is a number made up for the purpose of illustration.