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“Cars never seem to be the problem”: Cyclists slam Times article blaming Paris cycle lanes for slower bus journeys – but ex-transport officer claims “bikes prioritised over everything”; Chalamet cycles; Montmartre 2025 Tour finale? + more on the live blog

It’s the middle of the week, it’s the middle of January, and Ryan Mallon’s back with some hopefully not so middling cycling news and views on the Wednesday live blog
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“Cars never seem to be the problem for some people”: Cyclists slam Times article blaming Paris cycle lanes for slower bus journeys – but former transport officer claims “cycling lobby prioritised bikes over everything”

A recent article in the Times – which claimed that the rapid proliferation of cycle lanes in Paris over the past few years has driven locals away from the city’s buses due to congestion and increased journey times – has been criticised by cyclists and road safety campaigners, who argue that the story is further evidence that “cars never seem to be the problem for some people”.

Times article on Paris cycle lanes and bus journeys

Earlier this week, the Times – the paper that in 2012 launched its award-winning and highly-praised Cities Fit for Cycling Campaign, which called for the introduction of safe cycling infrastructure – reported that “Parisians are abandoning the city’s buses in despair” thanks to the congestion apparently caused by the French capital’s newly introduced cycling infrastructure.

Overseen by pro-cycling mayor Anne Hidalgo, Paris’ cycling revolution of the 2020s has led to the creation of around 100km of bike lanes in the city, while the number of people riding bikes has doubled since the end of the Covid-19 lockdowns.

A 2024 Paris Région Institute study also found that cycling now accounts for 11.2 per cent of all trips in central Paris (compared to just three per cent a decade before), while car usage has fallen to just 4.3 per cent. Walking, meanwhile, still comprises 50 per cent of all trips in the centre of the city, with public transport coming second at 30 per cent.

Cycle lanes in Paris (image by Mikael Colville-Andersen on Flickr, licensed via CC BY-NC 2.0)

> Paris cycling numbers double in one year thanks to massive investment... but Telegraph writer claims city now “hell on earth”

However, according to the Times, things are apparently looking less than rosy for Paris’ bus network.

“Parisians are abandoning the city’s buses in despair, saying the proliferation of cycle lanes has led to traffic congestion that is affecting journey times,” the article, titled ‘Cycle lanes leave Parisian bus passengers in a jam’, began.

“The buses travel at an average speed of 8.85kph during rush hour, compared with 9.54kph in 2022, according to the RATP, the Paris public transport authority.”

The article then cited a study by the National Federation of Transport Users, which found that Parisian buses now have an average speed of 10.6kph throughout the day, compared to 13.3kph two decades ago.

The Times also pointed out that the total number of bus journeys in Paris was 220 million in 2023, down from 354 million in 2008 – over a decade, it must be said, before the city’s cycling revolution really took root.

“Critics say buses have been a collateral victim of the council’s efforts to get people cycling,” the article continued. “More than €150 million has been spent building cycle lanes in the city since 2021. But Le Monde said this had led to more traffic jams.”

The article also quotes, for balance, Paris’ deputy mayor for public space, transport, and mobility, David Belliard, who rejected this criticism while admitting that the “question of the bicycle is reorganising public space and changing everything”, and noting that officials are working to find a “balance” to improve bus journey times.

Paris segregated cycle lane (copyright Simon MacMichael)

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While the need to improve public transport and make it more attractive to car drivers is integral to any climate-focused transport strategy, of course, this week’s 250-word conflation of longer bus journey times, congestion, and cycle lanes in the Times – as well as Le Monde – has attracted a fair bit of criticism online from cyclists and safety campaigners.

“Maybe they’re abandoning buses for bikes, instead, as they’re faster,” suggested JT (who I assume isn’t former Chelsea captain and penalty choker John Terry? But you never know these days).

“Average speed during rush hour has gone down by .6km per hour. WOW! What a disaster!” wrote Andy. “The big increase in the cycle network only started a couple of years ago, what caused the decline in speed between say 2008 and 2020?

“What has happened to car ownership numbers in that time?  I’ll tell you, it increased by 50 per cent between 2005 and 2020, that’s why your delays.”

Paris cyclists (copyright Simon MacMichael)

“Comparing traffic speeds from 20 years ago with the introduction of cycle lanes is disingenuous,” echoed Amos, while Cycling in London noted that the Times article lacked “a whole lot of evidence, but that’s not a surprise”.

“It’s literally ‘someone said’ cycle lanes are the cause,” noted another social media user.

“I can’t remember The Times going on about how general motor traffic impedes bus use,” added Dr Robert Davis, the chair of the Road Danger Reduction Forum.

“Cars never seem to be the problem for some people – and they pick on cyclists.”

> Former transport officer’s “cherry-picked” claim that cycling in the Netherlands is more dangerous than the UK slammed as “gibberish evidential gymnastics” aimed at those who “still view bikes as toys in a grown-up world of big choo-choo machines”

However, Davis’ argument was countered by retired Hackney councillor Vincent Stops, who asked “where has this guy been?”

Stops, you may remember, was Hackney’s lead member for transport, while working on streets policy for London TravelWatch, the capital’s statutory transport watchdog, for over 20 years.

In a blog post in 2022, he labelled cycling in the capital a “ruthless and well-resourced minority interest” that has “been allowed to ruin London’s bus service” – and in October 2024 claimed that cycling in the Netherlands is more dangerous than the UK.

So it’s no surprise he’s bought into the Times’ argument that cycle lanes are the ruin of buses everywhere.

“Where has this guy been?” Stop said in response to Davis’ tweet. “Tackling private car numbers was the bread and butter of transport policy from 2000. It was the cycle lobby changed that and prioritised cycles over everything.”

Roger agreed: “Then we had an ex-journo as Mayor with an ex-journo as his transport advisor. Result: totally owned by a single-issue minority lobby squandering squillions of public money to pretty much ‘net zero’ impact on overall mode share. And casualties? And bus stop accessibility? Oh dear.”

That’s right – blame it all on the cycle lanes. And the journalists, of course.

12:27
Cyclist in London at night with bike lights - copyright Simon MacMichael
Blinded by the Bike Light: Are you being dazzled by other cyclists’ overly bright lights?

An interesting, and timely, debate has sprung up on the road.cc forum concerning bike lights – namely, are they simply too bright these days?

“Anyone else noticed this year that there’s an increasing number of overly bright front (and rear) lights, or is it just me?” asked road.cc reader Slartibartfast as part of their post, ‘Moan: Constantly dazzled by other commuters’.

> Are bike lights too bright nowadays? Different beams and power settings tested

“My commute has an extended part over an unlit moor, but mostly lit cycle paths, and I’d say people have their lights on the wrong setting or pointing at eye level approximately 50 per cent of the time.

“Maybe my eyes have just got more sensitive but I’m finding myself having to ask people to please turn their daytime strobe off as I can’t see where I’m going.”

“Same goes with car headlights for those of us road riders,” replied bobbinogs.

“It’s a similar sort of arms race it seems,” agreed Slartibartfast. “On a pitch-black country lane, yeah, 1500lm is necessary, but on an urban cycle path less so.”

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Meanwhile, chrisonabike wrote: “Nothing new I suspect. Where manufactures can with new tech, some will, then gradually most will. And ‘excellent’ yesterday becomes inadequate because many folks judge by a combination of price and where the thing sits in relation to other products available now (Whether they have a Scooby Doo or not).

“Anyway, I’m very happy with my up-to-3-W of dynamo-powered-lighting for most (sub)urban pottering. I think most of my salience (where people are looking for cyclists, or looking at all) comes from moving reflective lights. But my lights are enough to see and be seen by pedestrians on shared-use spaces.

“BUT on a rare late-night country ramble, yes, I'll amp up with some rechargeables.  FWIW, I am just old enough to remember how bad the Ever Ready battery jobs were, even with far more acute youthful eyes…”

Bike lights vintage - via gumtree

Ah, Ever Ready – just the mention of the name is enough to send cyclists of a certain vintage down (poorly-lit) memory lane.

Anyway, what do you reckon? Are bike lights becoming too bright? Or are you just glad the technology has moved on from the low brightness and low battery world of the ‘80s?

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Mr Pothole - via Mr Pothole facebook.PNG
“I’ve lost faith completely in any government or political party really wanting to do something”: End of an era as Mr Pothole marks National Pothole Day by announcing he is quitting his campaign after 12 years… with parting shot at government inaction

This year’s National Pothole Day fittingly marks the end of a long, bumpy, poorly-maintained era, as Mark Morrell – better known to the masses as the hi vis-wearing Mr Pothole – announced this morning that he is stepping away from his 12-year campaign to fix Britain’s battered roads.

> National Pothole Day: An interview with Mr Pothole

Since adopting the Mr Pothole moniker back in 2013, Morrell has reported thousands of road defects, formed his own pressure group, become a TV regular, and even partnered with Pot Noodle, as part of his battle to get councils and the government to act on what he dubbed in 2023 the UK’s “dangerous pothole menace”.

However, this morning – on National Pothole Day no less – after 12 years of campaigning, and with his wife’s health deteriorating at home, Morrell announced on Good Morning Britain that he’s hanging up the hi-vis for good – but not without aiming a parting shot at governmental inaction first.

“I’ve lost faith completely in any government or political party really wanting to do something,” the campaigner told Susanna Reid and Ed Balls.

“They talk £1.6bn being an awful lot of money, but the size of the backlog in the UK is not only £16.3bn in carriageway works in England and Wales, there’s a £6bn backlog in bridge maintenance. Then you’ve got footpaths, which I estimate to be around £30bn.

“If the government had come out and said they were going to put an extra £3bn a year to resurface our roads, I could see there being some change. But unfortunately, that’s not going to happen.”

Enjoy your retirement, Mr Pothole, and thanks for your service!

12:53
Cyclocross beach racing – extreme edition

Err… No thanks. I’ll stick to the muddy field, cheers. 

10:27
Lizzie Deignan, 2024 Olympic road race (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Could the Tour de France’s final stage be set for another shake-up? Organisers reportedly exploring attempt to include Montmartre Olympic climb before Champs-Élysées finish in 2025

Speaking of Paris…

Racing-wise, the 2024 Tour de France’s Nice finale – the only time in the grand tour’s 121-year history that it didn’t finish in Paris, a necessity of last summer’s Olympic Games in the French capital – may have ended up a bit of a damp squib, Tadej Pogačar’s grip on the yellow jersey unbreakable by the time we reached the Côte d'Azur.

But that tradition-busting move – along with the enthralling racing witnessed on Paris’ streets at the Olympics – appears to have ignited a spark of inspiration among the Tour’s organising team.

Because, according to Le Parisien, the Tour’s organisers are currently exploring ways to incorporate the Butte Montmartre – the cobbled, picturesque, spectator-packed climb to the Sacré-Cœur which acted as the focal point of Remco Evenepoel and Kristen Faulkner’s gold medal-winning rides – during the final stage of this year’s Tour.

Nils Politt, 2024 Olympic road race (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

The newspaper reports that the Tour is hoping to include three ascents of the Montmartre before plunging back down for the traditional laps-based finish on the Champs-Élysées, and has already filed a request with the Paris Police.

Could the fast men – who struggle through the long climbs and sapping heat of the Tour all in the hope of contesting the unofficial sprinters’ world championships on the Champs – be set for their second annual disappointment, or at the very least be forced to haul themselves over three last steep hills on the last day? Seems a bit cruel, if I’m honest.

The move also represents a U-turn from technical director Thierry Gouvenou’s previous stance on incorporating Montmartre into the Tour, pointing out last year that “it worked for the Olympics, but it wouldn’t be acceptable during the Tour”.

Julian Alaphilippe rides Montmartre climb ahead of 2024 Paris Olympic road race (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

“The Tour de France peloton is twice as big as it was at the Olympics, so we’d have to find much bigger streets than those used at the weekend,” Gouvenou said.

“In Montmartre, they went through some very narrow streets, and in some places, when they would have needed to provide mechanical service to riders in the pack, they’d barely could have opened the car door.”

Marta Lach and Kasia Niewiadoma ride Montmartre climb ahead of 2024 Paris Olympic road race (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

And while Gouvenou, Christian Prudhomme, and the rest appeared to have warmed to the idea over the winter, Le Parisien nevertheless noted that the novel concept could still be scuppered, with the local authorities apparently concerned about the extra police presence and traffic restrictions required for any modified Tour finale.

But if the Tour organisers do get their wish, the 2025 finish on the Champs-Élysées – the 50th anniversary of the race’s first appearance on the world’s most famous boulevard – could be a very special one indeed.

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Belgium’s riders, including Wout van Aert and Remco Evenepoel, ride Montmartre climb ahead of 2024 Paris Olympic road race (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Is the Tour de France’s rumoured Montmartre detour a good idea?

As the Parisian authorities reportedly deliberate over whether to allow the Tour de France peloton to ride up the Butte Montmartre three times during the 2025 race’s final stage, I reckon it’s time for a live blog poll, to find out once and for all whether tampering with the Tour’s 50-year-old procession-turned-sprint warfare on the Champs is  good idea or not.

What do you reckon? Is the Tour’s traditional champagne-tinged finale a sporting institution not to be messed with? Or could three ascents of Montmartre finally ignite a proper full-on race through the French capital’s streets in July?

Supersurvey

09:38
‘Once upon a time you rode a Lime, threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you?’ Timothée Chalamet rocks up to A Complete Unknown’s London premiere on Lime bike

Finally, the Bob Dylan/cycling crossover I’ve been waiting for my whole life…

As Jeremy Vine put it on Twitter, despite what the naysayers on social media and in certain parts of the national press might think, “we’re breaking through”.

Yes, the times really are a-changin’. Because last night, Timothée Chalamet – the acting star of the moment (get with the programme, old timers!) – decided to show up in proper style to the UK premiere of his highly-anticipated Bob Dylan biopic, A Complete Unknown: by riding a Lime bike.

The 29-year-old – fully kitted out as ’64-era funky shirt with blazer Bob (see, I could get a job writing for the Mail’s fashion pages) – casually made his way across London to the red carpet at BFI Southbank on one of the green electric hire bikes, along with his entourage.

Chalamet then parked the bike smack bang in the middle of the red carpet – I can just see the headlines now – before remembering to end his ride on his phone. Good lad.

“If Timmy says Lime bikes are in, Lime bikes are in,” Palace Cinemas wrote in response to the actor’s commute.

His latest role as Bob Dylan – charting the Bard’s Greenwich Village days and his ultimate estrangement from the folk scene, culminating in him ‘going electric’ at Newport in 1965 (a pivotal moment which may or may not be conflated in the film with the infamous ‘Judas’ gig in Manchester the following year) – appears to have ignited an interest in ‘60s music and culture among Gen Z.

So, surely it stands to reason that Timmy-loving teenagers will all be hopping on Lime bikes this weekend?

Anyway, in homage to A Complete Unknown’s active travel-friendly premiere, I decided to shoehorn a few references to Lime bikes into some Dylan deep cuts. Who says we only cater for a nice audience?

First up, Like a Rolling E-bike: ‘Once upon a time you rode a Lime, threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you?’

And another classic, from his era-defining album, CS1 Revisited: ‘I ride a Lime bike baby, can't buy a thrill, I’ve been up all night, leaning on the windowsill. But as I ride to the top of the hill, if I don’t make it, I know my battery will.’

And this comeback late-‘80s masterpiece: ‘I can follow the path, I can read the signs, stay right with it, when the road unwinds… on most of the Limes.’

Right, it’s your turn now – get your best Bob Dylan Lime bike lyrics in the comments.

Oh, I’ve got one more – ‘Johnny’s in the basement mixing up the medicine, the Lime bikes are on the pavement’… Oh wait, maybe leave that one.

In any case, at 30kg we know Lime’s e-bikes won’t be blowin’ in the wind anytime soon. I’ll get my Freewheelin’ James Dean coat…

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After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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mitsky | 1 hour ago
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If anyone claims that cyclists/cycle lanes cause congestion...

Ask them to compare journey times  during school term/rush hour versus during school holidays...
Also now with a proportion of people who can work from home, Wednesdays are the busiest days on roads/public transport for people going into offices etc, followed closely by Tuesdays and Thursdays, with Mondays and Fridays being quietest.
The proportional numbers of cyclists on the roads on those days is nothing compared to the number of drivers.

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chrisonabike replied to mitsky | 17 min ago
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Agree, but you'll get "ah, but it's those commuting cyclists getting in the way of vehicles - plus it only takes one cyclist to hold up all the traffic and everyone gets slowed down..."

While this is generally a "cycling fallacy" there is a (small) grain of truth here.  Because: a) motor vehicles are so space-inefficient and b) there are bottlenecks in the road system and c) some of our roads operate close to or at full capacity ... then small delays or losses of capacity can have a big impact across the system.  (Thoughtful article here).

The flip side of this of course is you don't need to remove many drivers* to have a positive impact!  * (Divert many of those trips to other modes, or they're simply not made - turns out not every trip is vital and non-discretionary.)

That space-inefficiency of course leads to other confimations of existing opinions like "look at the massive queue of cars, next to the almost-empty cycle path!"

So I don't know this helps - but perhaps an "all cyclists / mobility vehicle users drive instead" day every so often might help people understand?

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mitsky | 1 hour ago
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Not sure if this news report was missed on the live blog as it seems to be a bit quiet.
"£2m settlement for cyclist who suffered "traumatic, life-changing brain injury" in collision"
https://road.cc/content/news/ps2m-cyclist-who-suffered-life-changing-inj...

Why no details about the collision itself?

I appreciate that privacy laws may prohibit the naming of the other party (presumably a driver, and their motor insurer who settled the claim/case) but the specifics of the collision itself would be usefull.

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the little onion | 1 hour ago
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as a sometime visitor to Paris, I'd say that the bus slowdown is more to do with the massive projects to do with the Olympic Games, not cycle lanes.

 

also, the fact that there has been a huge decrease in buses and bus routes would imply that there's not an easy before-after comparison 

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lesterama | 1 hour ago
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road.cc wrote:

Quote:

‘Once upon a time you rode a Lime, threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn’t you?’

Chapeau! But how does it feel?

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mdavidford | 2 hours ago
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Bob Dylan (never really) wrote:

This is the story of the hire Lime,

The bike that Panorama tried to blame,

For something that it never done...

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mdavidford replied to mdavidford | 1 hour ago
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Quote:

There must be some quietway outta here,

Said the Joker to the Thief,

There's too much pollution here,

Can't get no relief

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mdavidford replied to mdavidford | 1 hour ago
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Quote:

You walk into the street with your mike in your hand

You see somebody cycling and you say "what is that, man?"

You try so hard, but you just don't understand

What you're going to say when you go live

Because something is happening here, but you don't know what it is

Do you, Mr Chiles?

 

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hawkinspeter replied to mdavidford | 1 hour ago
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mdavidford wrote:

Quote:

There must be some quietway outta here,

Said the Joker to the Thief,

There's too much pollution here,

Can't get no relief

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chrisonabike replied to mdavidford | 1 hour ago
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Can't match your memory of the lyrics * but I do recall there was a lot of hate when Dylan went electric (though not battery)!

* Read an anecdote where an interviewer was asking Dylan about his memory - how did he retain all those lyrics over the years?  Apparently Dylan just pointed to the corner where there was a cheap "Bob Dylan songbook"...

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lesterama replied to chrisonabike | 34 min ago
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Not as much hate as when Adrian Chiles recently went electric. But I guess Dylan was doing his job well.

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brooksby | 2 hours ago
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Could the Parisian congestion be due to all the individual motorists who've still failed to catch the memo that single occupancy cars in the city is a Bad Idea?

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brooksby | 2 hours ago
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I wonder whether Chalamet hired a bike because he wanted to or because Lime paid for the promotion?  Enquirin' minds want to know… 

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Miller replied to brooksby | 1 hour ago
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brooksby wrote:

I wonder whether Chalamet hired a bike because he wanted to or because Lime paid for the promotion?  Enquirin' minds want to know… 

Well, it looks like he still ended the ride properly on the Lime app and you can't do that unless you've linked a payment method. That would have been one remarkable end ride photo!

 

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anke2 | 2 hours ago
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Correlation does not imply causation. 

Why not claim instead that:

Global warming causes slower bus journeys? The rise of right wing parties causes congestion? The Notre Dame repair work has caused the congestion? Wider cars parked on the roads cause the congestion? Paris improving and becoming nicer to live in cause the congestion? The development of AI causes congestion?

 

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HarrogateSpa | 3 hours ago
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Outrage-generation is the road.cc template. It's exhausting.

Could we just ignore the Times article about Paris?

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Clem Fandango replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 hours ago
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For the other side of the Paris coin (ie improved air quality) - see the GCN show this week.  Well the first 30 seconds or so anyway.   Just focuses on the positive in Paris.  

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Mr Anderson replied to Clem Fandango | 2 hours ago
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A few GCN shows ago, Dan commented about how he wished there was an end to the Anti-Cycling narrative that main stream media nows seems obsessed with.  And how this is resulting in anti-cycling behaviour from other road users.

Ever since the amended Highway Code and the Anti-cycling media reports, in my experience, the incidents of close passing has doubled.

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Clem Fandango replied to Mr Anderson | 57 min ago
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Indeed.  In fact the other night I was out for a ride & got pushed off the road by the passenger of a car that pulled up next to me.  Fortunately I'd slowed down (anticipating some verbal nonsense & hoping by my braking that they'd just carry on past) so was able to somehow remain upright & not have to press the eject button as I careened up the verge & into a hedgerow (thankyou MTB riding).  Fortunatelyt no injuries or damage to the bike.  I'm just now somewhat on edge whenever a car approaches.

Only had the front mounted camera unfortunately, so the reg plate wasn't captured, but the footage is with local plod (who to be fair probaly won't be able to trace anyone).

I put this kind of f*ckwittery on our roads firmly down to the constant negativity aimed at cylists by the regular meeja in their quest for culture war clicks based on lazy "journalism".  We're just de-humanised as "#bloodycyclists" so idiots like my friend the other night think it's fair game.

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Mr Anderson replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 hours ago
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The problem is, as I stated in my other comment, this has an impact on the attitudes of their readers.  Which, I suspect, results in an anti-cycling sentiment that can manifest itself in many ways, in many situations, not necessarily just when you are cycling on the road.

These journalists wouldn't dare write the same anti- articles, framed in the same twisted way, if the subject was about Muslims, Asians or any other group in society protected by discrimination Laws.

A few years ago, I made a transcript of Janet Street Porters TV report on the cycle lane along the Embankment.  I sent it to her and asked, if you substituted the words "cyclist" with the word "Asian", would you be breaking the Law?

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chrisonabike replied to Mr Anderson | 2 hours ago
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Mr Anderson wrote:

These journalists wouldn't dare write the same anti- articles, framed in the same twisted way, if the subject was about Muslims, Asians or any other group in society protected by discrimination Laws.

I think it's more the deadly violence perpetrated by a few folks saying they are doing so in the name of Islam which really focusses the minds (or those of their editors / publishers).

By way of comparison - Christians sometimes moan about their treatment in popular culture; perhaps they could try bringing back the Inquisition for a trial period?

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eburtthebike replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 hours ago
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HarrogateSpa wrote:

Outrage-generation is the road.cc Times and all the other MSM template. It's exhausting.

Could we just ignore the Times and the MSM articles about Paris?

FTFY.  road.cc is just pointing out that the MSM does not, and never has, treated alternatives to the car fairly.

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ubercurmudgeon | 3 hours ago
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"Cycle lanes leave Parisian bus passengers in a jam"

"I shouldn't have eaten that last wafer-thin mint", says Mr Creosote.

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Tom_77 | 3 hours ago
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The Guardian - ‘Please don’t hit me!’ The battle between ebikers and other cyclists

Headline aside, a reasonable article. No mention of that Panorama episode, but it probably wouldn't be a good move to slag off your boss's husband.

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lesterama replied to Tom_77 | 3 hours ago
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Tom_77 wrote:

The Guardian - ‘Please don’t hit me!’ The battle between ebikers and other cyclists

it probably wouldn't be a good move to slag off your boss's husband.

It would, though, gain the respect of many millions.

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Steve K replied to Tom_77 | 2 hours ago
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Pity about the headline.

My own view - as a regular London commuter by bike - some other cyclists, and probably disproportionately ride share e-bike riders, irritate me.  But drivers endanger me.  I know which I'd chose.

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Miller replied to Steve K | 1 hour ago
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Steve K wrote:

Pity about the headline.

My own view - as a regular London commuter by bike - some other cyclists, and probably disproportionately ride share e-bike riders, irritate me.  But drivers endanger me.  I know which I'd chose.

Same here. e-bikers can be irritating but in terms of me feeling threatened on the road, private cars and vans reign supreme.

 

 

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Steve K replied to Miller | 1 hour ago
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Miller wrote:

Same here. e-bikers can be irritating but in terms of me feeling threatened on the road, private cars and vans reign supreme.

And bus drivers.  (Some) London bus drivers are the worst.

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thax1 replied to Tom_77 | 1 hour ago
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Yes - and thankfully for journalistic-balance, they sought the opinions of regular London cyclists and e-bike hire users. Rather than, you know, an angry taxi driver and a Pimlico Plumber as we usually get in MSM.

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Pub bike | 3 hours ago
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Same thing in the UK.  People keep buying cars regardless of whether there is actually room on the roads for them.

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