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“I wear bright colours, lights, and reflective bags – but drivers still close pass me every day”: Cyclists respond to hi-vis calls by claiming drivers “choose not to see” them, but others ask “What’s the problem with close passes?” + more on the live blog

Is there something going on across the pond today? Anyway, Ryan Mallon’s back to focus on the important things instead on your Tuesday cycling live blog

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05 November 2024, 09:10
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“I wear bright colours, lights, and reflective bags – but drivers still close pass me every day”: Cyclists respond to “nonsense” hi-vis calls, claiming “none of it makes a difference” and drivers “choose not to see” them

Yes, it’s that time of the year again, folks.

‘Tis the season for hi-vis and lights cycling safety debates, when usually well-meaning police forces, local authorities, and road safety organisations deliver one-sided messages, videos, and social media posts calling on cyclists to ‘be safe, be seen’.

To be honest, it’s the only time I’ll allow a debate about being surrounded by lights to take place in November (and yes, I am talking about you early Christmas tree enthusiasts – get a life).

Anyway, before I go all Grinch on the live blog, just last week we reported that Northumberland County Council issued a social media warning telling “all cyclists and pedestrians” that “during the autumn and winter months motorists take longer to notice you. Take extra care near or when crossing roads or try to wear something bright or reflective to help motorists see you.”

> Conservative councillor wades into cyclist hi-vis clothing discussion with "reprehensible" rant... says "Lycra louts" who ride in roads instead of cycle lanes "suffer the consequences"

While that particular post sent one local councillor scurrying off to the anti-cycling bingo hall to rant about “Lycra louts”, others suggested that asking motorists to take extra care and look out for vulnerable road users may be a more effective approach to keep the roads safe during winter.

And yesterday, we heard from Worcester resident Roy Clarke, who used his local paper’s letters page to urge cyclists to make sure their lights are working, otherwise drivers just can’t see them.

In a response to Clarke’s hi-vis call, Bike Worcester’s chair Dan Brothwell penned his own letter, jokingly asking “now the clocks are changing and as we go into darker days and nights, that drivers of all abilities check the headlights are working on their vehicles. It is difficult for drivers to see cyclists in the dark if their headlights are faulty.”

“Joking aside, this is an important issue,” he continued. “I agree with Roy that everyone cycling at night should have working front and rear lights in accordance with the Highway Code and the same applies to drivers.

“I’d also recommend everyone takes time to refresh their Highway Code knowledge and drive to test standard.

“When cycling my lights are on continuously (dynamo), bags have reflective panels, and I’m usually wearing bright colours. I’m still close passed by, on average, five per cent of drivers on my commute to work and witness illegal driving and parking whenever I’m travelling, notably speeding and phone use.”

Police stop cyclist at night during long-distance ride to give him hi-vis vest and bag (Northern Ireland Road Policing and Safety unit)

Since appearing on yesterday’s live blog, Brothwell’s comments have sparked quite the debate on social media.

“Five per cent is better than 100 per cent in that case,” said Ady Suter on Twitter, in response to the cycling campaigner’s claimed rate of close passes per day.

“The hi-vis and lights help the more considerate drivers (that’s 95 per cent of them!) to see you in plenty of time and to prepare a safe pass. Better for everyone.”

However, not everyone was convinced of the powers of hi-vis.

“I get more close calls on the days I wear hi-vis sometimes,” said Les Jackson on Facebook.

Cycling campaigner Ruth Mayorcas added: “In broad daylight in high summer drivers still close pass.”

Cyclist in London hi-vis with cargo bike - copyright Simon MacMichael

> Mandatory hi-vis for cyclists a “timely proposal” coming up to Christmas, say councillors

Others, meanwhile, were quick to criticise the often one-sided nature of these winter road safety calls.

“Can we have an annual call for drivers to not speed?” asked Joe Gardias.

“It’s amazing that drivers see cyclists running red lights. Any other time not so much,” added Dean Lewis.

Niall McFarland concurred: “The only cyclists that drivers manage to see are those with no lights, those on footpaths and those riding four abreast. They fail to see any others.”

“Hi-vis makes very little difference, knocked off several times, with bright lights and hi-vis jackets, and always told ‘sorry I didn’t see you’, because they’re not looking and shouldn’t be allowed on the road,” said Mark Kingsland.

“Hi-vis and lots of flashing lights don’t stop people driving into highway maintenance and emergency vehicles,” wrote Gareth Roberts.

“I’ll just stick to a light and wearing what I feel is appropriate for the time of day/year and weather.”

> Good Morning Britain asks should cyclists have to wear a "hi-vis uniform" to ride a bike?

“It’s ultimately nonsense,” Michael Brown said of the yearly call for hi-vis. “Drivers choose ‘not to see’ most cyclists because they aren’t paying attention.

“Using a decent bike light is more than enough – and I’ve experimented over the years with hyper-fluorescent jackets, normal hi-vis tops and other have deliberately tried wearing dark clothes whilst still having a good bike light. My own experience is none of it makes a difference.”

“Yep, it’s never been about what a cyclist is wearing,” echoed Sam. “Some drivers see you and don’t care.”

Oxford Police stopping cyclists with no lights (Twitter: @OxonFireRescue)

> Police stop cyclists without lights, and issue “lights and hi-vis rucksack instead of a fine” so they can “get home safely and legally”

According to Nick Edwards, that can sometimes also apply to other cyclists, too.

“I was actually hit by another cyclist tonight, he was riding down and me up, I was wearing hi-vis, bar mounted light, helmet light and he still didn’t see me until he hit me head on,” he said.

Meanwhile, Gav Marten argued that some bike lights can do more harm than good.

“I’ve still got spots in my vision from an inconsiderate cyclist and his night-sun light,” he wrote.

“Car headlights are designed with a beam spread and height cut (not perfect) but cheap Chinese bike lights are friggin’ blinding as they hit the eyeball direct with thousands of lumens!”

> Mandatory hi-vis had no influence on number of cyclists involved in collisions according to Italian study

Of course, Richard Littlejohn came along to provide some, ahem, ‘balance’ to proceedings.

“Maybe if cyclists were more predictable with their movements, everyone would be a lot safer,” he said. “I see so many cyclists weaving out of traffic, entering on the road from the pavement without looking.

To be fair and honest, it's not normally the ones with the proper kit, they’re normally following the rules of the road, it’s the rest. Almost hit one the other day that was on the pavement and then randomly decided to join the road!”

He could get a job at Northumberland County Council’s social media department with that stance…

05 November 2024, 10:17
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“What is really the problem with a close pass? What other option is there for motorists?”

While everyone was else was busy discussing hi-vis, lights, and victim-blaming safety posts in the comments, one Facebook user – who purports to have cycled “around the world every day” for 18 years (blimey, that’s some mileage) – instead chose to question Bike Worcester chair Dan Brothwell’s point about close passes and, in doing so, raised an existential question for our Near Miss of the Day series.

“While I understand that it can be a little scary, what is really the problem with a close pass?” asked Mark Hartley on Facebook.

“I've been cycling around the world every day for 18 years in 36 countries and I’ve never had a problem with trucks, cars, and buses passing close to me. So long as they don’t hit me, obviously. Which nobody ever has.

“I mean, most roads are small and there’s no other way to pass. What other option is there for motorists?

“I’ve never been hit nor ever had reason to believe I would be hit and so it’s never bothered me. Are lots of people being hit because of close passes? Have I just been very lucky? Is it just a UK problem?”

Lorry driver narrowly misses cyclist in shocking close pass in Japan (Pedal Perspective, X)

> “He should be wearing hi-vis and not blocking the road”: Lorry driver in Japan turns himself in to police after “worst close pass ever” – but motorists still find ways to blame the cyclist

Errr, I’m not really sure where to start with all that.

Well, I suppose we should start with those in agreement.

“Close pass? What is a close pass?” wrote Shane Crowe (who may or may not be Russell’s brother).

“I ride to work and never have an issue with vehicles passing me, I ride about 1.5ft away from the kerb and ride steady, no wobbling or forcing cars to change lanes to overtake me, what’s the issue here!!!”

“It’s newbie cyclists trying to get popular on social media with close pass videos,” argued Bruce Swain (not Batman’s alter ego, either). “I agree it's not an issue, or certainly is not a big an issue as these people make out.

“This ‘campaign’ is further eroding the relationship between road users, and making the roads less safe, all in the hope to make some $$$ from social media.”

Close pass operation (Police Scotland Greater Glasgow)

> The real impact of close passes on cyclists — my children were nearly left fatherless due to the actions of one callous driver

And now for the opposition…

“While I understand that it can be a little scary, what is really the problem with people speeding at 100mph through residential areas?” asked Si Lowe.

“A close pass is always just a close pass until it isn’t,” noted Simon Boswell. “I’ve been knocked off by a driver who tried to squeeze between me and the car coming the other way and misjudged it. A broken wrist and four cracked ribs isn’t funny.”

“It’s unnecessary, plain and simple,” added Tom.

“Surprised that you think a vehicle coming close enough to touch is not a problem,” replied Will.

“Are you the one they shout at on the station for not standing behind the yellow line as well?

“When the same regular drivers go by you doing 50mph, close enough for you to feel the wing mirror difference, knowing that you have been hit by wing mirrors before, all for the sake of a touch of steering away.

“What makes their importance worth the risk to my life?”

05 November 2024, 11:55
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Sir Chris Hoy opens up about “toughest year of our lives” in first TV interview since terminal cancer diagnosis, as Health Secretary says government is “actively looking at” lowering prostate cancer screening age

Health Secretary Wes Streeting has announced that the government is “actively looking at” lowering the screening age for prostate cancer, as Sir Chris Hoy took part in his first television interview since revealing that his cancer diagnosis is terminal two weeks ago.

Speaking to BBC Breakfast’s Sally Nugent, six-time Olympic gold medallist Hoy – whose announcement coincided with a sevenfold increase in prostate cancer advice searches on the NHS’s website – detailed the “living nightmare” that followed his diagnosis last year, the “overwhelming” support he’s received, and how he’s “grateful for each day”.

“It’s been the toughest year of our lives so far by some stretch,” the 11-time world champion track sprinter said on the programme, adding that the news in September 2023 that he had terminal cancer came “completely out the blue”.

“No symptoms, no warnings, nothing. All I had was a pain in my shoulder and a little bit of pain in my ribs. But this ache and pain didn’t go away.

“I assumed it was going to be tendonitis or something, and it was just going to be ‘lay off weights or lay off cycling for a wee while’, and get some treatment and it’ll be fine.”

Chris Hoy with gold medal at London 2012 (copyright Britishcycling.org.uk)

> Sir Chris Hoy reveals cancer diagnosis is terminal and he has two to four years to live: “I’m feeling fit, strong and positive, and overwhelmed by all the love and support shown”

A scan revealed a tumour, before Hoy was later told that the prostate cancer had spread to his bones.

“It was the biggest shock of my life. I remember the feeling of just absolute horror and shock. I’d had zero symptoms, nothing to point me towards that that might be an issue. We were given the news that this was incurable.

“Suddenly, everything, all your thoughts, everything rushes. It’s almost like your life is flashing before your eyes in that moment.

"How on earth are we going to tell the kids? It’s just this absolute horror, it is a waking nightmare, living nightmare.

“We just tried to be positive and tried to say do you know what, this is what we’re doing and you can help because when I’m not feeling well, you can come and give me cuddles, you can be supportive, you can be happy, you can be kind to each other.

“I’m sure lots of families do it in different ways and I think there’s no one right approach for anyone. There’s no one-size-fits-all, but for us I think that was the best way to do it.”

chris hoy london bike show

> Sir Chris Hoy “optimistic, positive, and surrounded by love” after revealing cancer diagnosis

Hoy also told Nugent that chemotherapy was “one of the biggest challenges I’ve ever faced” and that his wife Sarra’s multiple sclerosis diagnosis in November 2023, news she initially shared only with her sister, was the “lowest point”.

“I don’t think we necessarily give ourselves enough credit for what we’re able to deal with,” the 48-year-old said. “It’s only when you're in really difficult situations you find out what you’re made of and what you can deal with.

“And it puts it into perspective riding bikes for a living, you realise, ‘God, that was just a bit of fun really’, you know.”

As has been the case since he revealed the news two weeks ago, Hoy’s positivity has been a constant when discussing his diagnosis.

“The stakes are much higher now. It felt like life and death in the moment when you were battling it out for an Olympic gold medal, but the stakes have changed dramatically and it is life and death,” he says.

“But the principle is the same, it’s about focusing on what you have control over and not worrying about the stuff that you can’t control.

“You don't just suddenly have a leap forward and one day you wake up and everything’s OK. It takes time and you’ve got to be disciplined with how you approach it, and you’ve got to nip things in the bud before these negative thoughts start to take hold.”

Chris Hoy Autumn 7

> Sir Chris Hoy’s “brave” terminal cancer revelation prompts near sevenfold increase in prostate cancer advice searches, says NHS

He also hopes his status as an Olympic hero will encourage more men to take a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) blood test to check for cancer – and potentially save more lives.

Calling for screening for men with a strong family history of prostate cancer to start at an earlier age, Hoy said: “If you’ve got family history of it like I have, if you’re over the age of 45, go and ask your doctor. I’ve got a friend who, when I told him my news early on confidentially, he went and got a PSA test and it turned out he had cancer. He’s had treatment and he’s been given the all-clear.

“Maybe people seeing this or hearing about my story, just by them asking their GP, will create enough of a surge of interest that people that make the decisions will go ‘you know what, we need to address this’. And in the long term this will save potentially millions of lives.”

Labour Health Secretary Wes Streeting also told BBC Breakfast that the government is looking into acting on his calls for lower screening ages, and that the Olympic champion is “already making a difference”.

“There will be lots of people out there living with cancer at the moment, either themselves or someone they love,” Streeting said. “The way he has spoken so openly and full of optimism about his own journey with cancer I think will have given hope and inspiration to millions of people across the country.”

Hoy, meanwhile, is busy organising his planned charity sportive for people with stage four cancer, the first edition of which will take place next year, while his memoir based on the past year, ‘All That Matters: My Toughest Race Yet’, is released this week.

The full interview with Nugent will also be broadcast tonight on BBC One at 8pm.

"My perspective on life has changed massively,” he says. “I am more thankful, I'm more grateful for each day. It’s been a tough year and it's going to be tough ahead in the future too but for now, right here right now, we’re doing pretty well.”

05 November 2024, 16:56
Now that’s how you end your cycling career: Rigoberto Urán closes out 18-year pro career in style with massive farewell event in Medellín

They don’t call him the cycling rock star for nothing:

05 November 2024, 16:26
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Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe offered Remco Evenepoel €10 million a year, Belgian media claims – but Soudal Quick-Step boss Patrick Lefevere put up “obstacles” to stop move

Speaking of Remco Evenepoel, and his rival Tadej Pogačar’s groundbreaking new deal at UAE Team Emirates, the Belgian media has claimed this week that Evenepoel was offered a whopping €10 million a year by Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe, as the German team worked hard to prise the double Olympic champion away from Soudal Quick-Step during a protracted transfer saga this year.

According to Het Laatste Nieuws, Red Bull had a mega contract “ready to go” for Evenepoel, which along with the massive salary increase would also have included three support personnel making the move from Soudal Quick-Step alongside the Belgian, including management figure Klaas Lodewyck.

Other reports, however, have suggested that €10 million figure was to be spread out over two years, which makes sense considering Pogačar’s €8m a year contract.

Remco Evenepoel podium Tour de France 2024 (ASO/Billy Ceusters)

(ASO/Billy Ceusters)

In any case, Het Laatste Nieuws say the move was blocked by Soudal Quick-Step boss Patrick Lefevere’s desire to put “obstacles” in the way, by preventing the three staff members from leaving.

In an ultimately successful bid to keep his star rider, fresh from his first Tour de France podium place, Lefevere also “glued Evenepoel on for the duration of his contract” by raiding the team’s coffers to increase the former Vuelta winner’s basic salary to €5 million a year until the end of his deal in 2026, possibly making the Belgian the second-best paid rider in the world behind world champion Pogačar.

That’s why he can afford all these November holidays, then. And who says cycling is turning into football?

05 November 2024, 15:59
Pro cyclists on their holidays

Look at Remco here, enjoying himself on holiday in November while the rest of us have to work when it’s damp, cold, and miserable at home:

Me, bitter? Never…

05 November 2024, 15:28
Tadej Pogačar wins the 2024 world road race championships, Zurich (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Details of Tadej Pogačar’s bumper new contract at UAE Team Emirates revealed, with world champion on €8 million a year with €200M buyout clause

At the 1984 Tour de France, on top of Alpe d’Huez and with the help of a female motorcycle rider, Greg LeMond agreed a deal with the mercurial Bernard Tapie to join his La Vie Claire team and become the first ‘million-dollar cyclist’.

Of course, even for a rider as talented and sought after as LeMond, that moniker was typical Tapie public bluff and bluster – the American’s three-year deal at Le Vie Claire was instead closer to the $800,000 mark all told.

That contract, despite not quite reaching the million, did single-handedly transform the market value of pro cyclists, something LeMond would achieve again in 1989 when he signed a three-year contract with Z worth $5.5m.

Fast forward 40 years, and Tadej Pogačar is the one reaping the long-term benefits of the deal struck by Tapie and LeMond in their clandestine evening meeting at the 1984 Tour.

2024 Tour de France Tadej Pogacar yellow bike Zac Williams/SWpix.com

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, the six-year contract extension signed by the Triple Crown winner last month with his UAE Team Emirates squad – unleashing accusations of sportswashing complicity against the world champion – means Pogačar will be paid €8 million a season until 2030.

That €48m deal means the Slovenian is comfortably the best paid rider in the world, with Gazzetta reporting earlier this year that Tour rival Jonas Vingegaard earns € 4m a year at Visma-Lease a Bike (and that €8m annual wage is before we factor in image rights and win bonuses, of course, which could Pogi’s earnings into truly stratospheric territory).

Interestingly, in another football-style development, Pogačar has reportedly agreed to a clause in his contract which means that he or any interested team will have to pay a buyout of €200m if the three-time Tour de France winner wishes to leave UAE before 2030. Which means, realistically, that he’s not going anywhere.

It certainly pays to turn a blind eye to sportswashing, eh?

05 November 2024, 14:59
Mystery new ‘radical’ aero bike spotted in the wild
05 November 2024, 14:13
Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lane? #3,890: Because it’s turned into a lorry park

A classic of the crap Belfast cycling infrastructure genre here, where Dock Street’s supposed ‘bike lane’ – the main route for people on bikes coming from the north of the city – is transformed daily into a lorry blockade:

Dock Street, Belfast, cycle lane blocked by lorry (Dominic Bryan)

“Needs clearer road marking and enforcement,” says local cyclist Dom Bryan. “Look at how this cyclist ends up dealing with the daily Dock Street lorry blockade. Turns into oncoming traffic”:

Dock Street, Belfast, cycle lane blocked by lorry (Dominic Bryan) 3

“The carb loading zone - nothing will stop them en route to their morning fry. One parked up across the bike lane while my kids were crossing the road towards it,” added local journalist Newton Emerson.

“Two lanes of lorries this morning is hard enough, but as I sat there waiting one driver just jumped out of his cab and left it parked,” added Dom.

Dock Street, Belfast, cycle lane blocked by lorry (Dominic Bryan) 2

Brilliant cycling infrastructure at its most effective, eh?

Keep an ear out for an upcoming episode of the road.cc Podcast, in which I take a tour of the finest cycle lanes Belfast has to offer. Don’t worry, it’s a very short episode…

05 November 2024, 13:42
‘Alright everyone, I’ve got it – Let’s reduce car use by employing security guards to stop those pesky cyclists from crossing our lovely new bridge. Sound like a plan?’
05 November 2024, 12:55
Raleigh pledges 10% of sales of latest Chopper release to Children in Need to celebrate Paddy McGuinness’ 300-mile nostalgia-fest charity cycle

Next Monday, Paddy McGuinness will be setting off from Wrexham by bike, as he aims to reach Glasgow five days, and 300 miles later, as part of an ‘Ultra Endurance Cycle Challenge’ for BBC Children in Need – a feat that will be made all the more demanding by the Phoenix Nights star’s chosen mode of transport: a Raleigh Chopper.

The (slightly modified) Chopper will be ridden by McGuinness through Cheshire, Merseyside, Lancashire, Westmorland, Cumberland, Dumfriesshire, and Lanarkshire, as he aims to reach Glasgow next Friday morning, in time for the annual televised appeal later that evening.

Paddy McGuinness Children in Need Raleigh Chopper challenge

> "'No likey, no bikey' just isn't an option": Paddy McGuinness to ride Raleigh Chopper on 300-mile charity cycling challenge

And to mark the presenter’s nostalgia-laden charity cycle, Raleigh has today announced that it will donate 10 per cent of the sales of its latest Chopper drop to Children in Need.

Last year, the British manufacturer relaunched a replica of its iconic 1972 Mark 2 bike – which sold out in minutes – before releasing two new colourways in the summer.

2023 raleigh chopper 1

The final drop of these two alternative Chopper styles, ‘Space Blue’ and ‘Fizzy Lemon’, will be made available tomorrow, with a bespoke BBC Children in Need supporter pack featuring a certificate, spotty stickers for the bike, and a Chopper iron-on-clothing badge, thrown in for free for anyone adding to their collection ahead of Paddy’s charity cycle next week.

“We are honoured that the iconic Raleigh Chopper is at the heart of this year’s BBC Children in Need Challenge,” Raleigh marketing manager Michelle Jakeway said today.

“The Chopper has always been a bike that sparks joy and nostalgia, and it is an iconic model for us as a business.

“It will play an important role, not only as the bike that Paddy uses during the challenge, but in fundraising efforts for the UK’s number one children’s charity. We cannot wait to see how Paddy gets on with his challenge, we’ll be behind him every mile of the way!”

> Raleigh relocates to historic Nottinghamshire site as iconic British brand promises “ambitious plans” for future growth, months after job cuts and move away from previous headquarters

Elizabeth Woodham, Head of Partnerships, BBC Children in Need, added: “We’re delighted to have the support of Raleigh with Paddy's Ultra Endurance Cycle Challenge.

“Riding his specially adapted Chopper will be quite the challenge but it’s all to help BBC Children in Need support children and young people across the UK, and we're extremely grateful to Raleigh for helping us with this unique request.”

05 November 2024, 12:41
“There was me under the impression that cycle lanes are hardly used”: Driver’s stunned assessment of London’s “ludicrously” popular cycling infrastructure

“Look at them! That is overwhelming, where are they all coming from?”

Probably should save this one for the next time anyone plays the ‘oh, all the bike lanes are empty’ card…

05 November 2024, 11:32
Taxi driver who killed cyclist with “unsafe” turn while “blinded by sun” avoids jail
05 November 2024, 10:54
Oi, no cycling on the walking and cycling path!

So, to ask the age-old question, why don’t cyclists use the shared path?

Because, apparently on London’s Kew Bridge, they’re told they’re not allowed to…

Kew Bridge 'no cycling' sign on shared path (Cycle Calm)

Don’t you just love a pair of contradictory cycling signs?

After Cycle Calm posted photos of the odd couple – which appear at a glance to instruct cyclists to avoid using what the blue sign clearly indicates is a shared-use walking and cycling path – some locals have claimed that cycling is in fact prohibited there, though others pointed out that the ‘no cycling’ restriction only applies to the other, narrower side of the bridge.

Kew Bridge 'no cycling' sign on shared path (Cycle Calm) 2

Meanwhile, some suggested that the ‘no cycling’ sign actually refers to the carriageway, and that the blue sign actually underlines that cyclists must use the path in question.

Confused? Yeah, me too.

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Russell Gray | 2 weeks ago
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Close passing and rank bad driving have almost become the norm, to the point where I expect it and it doesn't shock me. What does shock me are the number of cars that pass and leave a cloud of marijuana smoke behind them, and this not an inner city issue, these are the leafy lanes of Cheshire, and many of the cars are driver only occupancy.....god help us!!

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Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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My wife went for a run at the w/e, at one point along a narrow road that is very much out of the way. There is no room to pass.

The driver came up behind her and revved his engine at her as she carried on. When she found a wide spot to move out, he shook his fist at her as he passed.

He was held up for 40 metres.

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AidanR replied to Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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Serves her right for running without road tax.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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Clearly she should have moved to the side and prostrated herself before her Betters…  3

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Andrewbanshee replied to Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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I experience this quite often when out running. I follow the guidelines, running towards traffic and keep hard right. I am very visible too but still experience aggressive drivist. Some even swerve towards me. I have had to stand my ground plenty of times when there is just nowhere to go unless it is the hawthorn hedgerow. It is beyond ridiculous now that this immature and quite frankly bonkers behaviour is deemed acceptable.

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Cugel replied to Andrewbanshee | 2 weeks ago
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Andrewbanshee wrote:

I experience this quite often when out running. I follow the guidelines, running towards traffic and keep hard right. I am very visible too but still experience aggressive drivist. Some even swerve towards me. I have had to stand my ground plenty of times when there is just nowhere to go unless it is the hawthorn hedgerow. It is beyond ridiculous now that this immature and quite frankly bonkers behaviour is deemed acceptable.

Apparently the building of dedicated cycling paths will solve everything.  The aggressive and immature motorists will go looking for victims in smaller cars instead. There already is a sort of anti small car brigade about, delighting in driving their huge SUVs at the "kiddie cars".

Meanwhile, councils will save money by building "shared" paths for cyclists and peds, allowing peds the opportunity (perhaps via a dedicated ped website like this one - "PavementPed") to moan about dangerous cyclists, demanding new pavements with barriers to keep the cyclists off 'em.   1

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chrisonabike replied to Cugel | 2 weeks ago
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If you're not on the road with a car, I bet its driver is much less likely to swerve into your space *.  Because you're not "in the way"!  (Any more than they'd pull in front of a pedestrian on the pavement.  And yes - somehow drivers do manage to kill quite a few people every year, on the pavement... "perfect the enemy of better", repeat).

If drivers want to go hunting other drivers, fine (is this really a thing or did you hear it from e.g. The Donald?)  They are at slightly less risk to each other than they are to me on foot or on bike.  Harm reduction.  And of course the cops should have no problem arresting them for it, what with everyone having a licence plate.

I don't think just cycle paths will solve everything, but I do think they're a necessary (if not sufficient) part of "nice streets, liveable places" (and a lot of other potential benefits).  At least I've seen nothing like this in the UK...

* Obviously it's gonna take UK drivers a generation - or several - to get their heads around that idea, just like in other parts of the world which have improved their streets...

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mitsky | 2 weeks ago
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Have there been any significant cases/reports from authorities of cycle lanes/LTNs causing delays to emergency services vehicles?
Not that I recall.

But...
"Family of woman who died blame parked cars for ambulance delay"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgo

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chrisonabike replied to mitsky | 2 weeks ago
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What doesn't delay emergency services in general?

Cycle lanes
New cycle lanes
Covid-era cycling and walking schemes
Pop-up cycleways and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (according to NHS trusts)
"LTNs"
"blanket" reduction of (blanket) 30mph defaults to 20mph *

* Despite lots of concerns (ahead of it) that it would, or that somehow emergency services would suddenly have to keep to lower limits, or that it would delay staff getting in to fire stations and hospitals.  Positive evidence (rather than "in the opinion of...") either way doesn't seem handy for a quick Google - and the Welsh Government is not aware of any evidence.  Obviously absence isn't evidence - but you'd think given the fuss that this would have come out...

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festina replied to chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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One thing that definitely doesn't hold up emergency vehicles is the volume of car traffic on the road or the autobesity of cars that has been going on for decades. Can't ever be them.

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David9694 replied to mitsky | 2 weeks ago
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Such reports exist and despite being horseshit, become another means for drivers to frighten people into not having an LTN: 

https://road.cc/content/forum/death-anecdote-exeter-ltn-303553

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mitsky | 2 weeks ago
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Given the change in the highway code and update on mobile phone use, is the driver who recorded the high usage of that cycle lane going to get an NIP for phone use behind the wheel?

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brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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Which London Borough is responsible for Kew Bridge?  What do they have to say for themselves?

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AidanR replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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It'll be TfL

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Rendel Harris replied to AidanR | 2 weeks ago
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Yes, as it's part of the south circular so a red route. It was TfL that narrowed the western side pavement in 2021 in order to accommodate an extra traffic lane on the bridge, thereby making it unsafe to have a shared pavement on both sides - an arrangement which worked pretty well previously.

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brooksby replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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Ah, OK; fair enough.

Does TfL not hold any responsibility for active travel?  I'd thought it did…

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Rendel Harris replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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They do indeed, of course, and they are responsible for the shared pavement on the eastern side and so presumably for this absurd signage as well! Hopefully it's just a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing and they will get it sorted soon. I am often wonder, in instances like this, why instead of bothering with expensive cycle lane installation, pavement widening or narrowing et cetera they can't simply say pavement on one side of the road exclusively for pedestrians and the other side exclusively for cyclists. 

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Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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Richard Littlejohn wrote:

To be fair and honest

Two things that far-right, racist, xenophobic bloviator has never been in his life.

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the little onion replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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is that the Richard LIttlejohn who writes a column for the Daily Mail, often about migration issues, from his home in Florida?

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brooksby replied to the little onion | 2 weeks ago
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Does he also support that British politician who seeks to interfere in the American election campaign?  You know - Nigel Farage…

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alexuk replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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I beleive papers are being prepared in the US. courts, regarding interference claims against two labour employees who have been activley doing the same thing ahead of the American election. Should they be held in the same contempt as the guy you mentioned? 

"According to U.S. rules, foreigners can volunteer on election campaigns but cannot make financial contributions, and the allegations of interference will hinge on whether Labour covered any activists' costs." - Reuters.

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mdavidford replied to alexuk | 2 weeks ago
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Whoooosh!

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Steve K replied to the little onion | 2 weeks ago
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the little onion wrote:

is that the Richard LIttlejohn who writes a column for the Daily Mail, often about migration issues, from his home in Florida?

He also writes articles from there saying that people whom work from home are all skivers who should be back in the office 

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alexuk replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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Oh Rendel, what happened to you? why do you throw insults at everyone who has a different opinion to yourself? RLJ could just be sharing his own personal experiences, which could easily be true; we've all seen the same things, its just that we don't consider it the norm, whereas to RLJ, he does. Does this make him all those nasty things you said? no, it doesn't. 

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mdavidford replied to alexuk | 2 weeks ago
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alexuk wrote:

Does this make him all those nasty things you said? no, it doesn't. 

It certainly doesn't make him not those things.

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AidanR replied to alexuk | 2 weeks ago
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Nah, it's all the other things RLJ has said that make him all those nasty things.

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Rendel Harris replied to alexuk | 2 weeks ago
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alexuk wrote:

 Does this make him all those nasty things you said? no, it doesn't. 

What makes him all those "nasty" (a.k.a. true) things I said is that he drove a transgender schoolteacher to suicide by hounding them through his column, that he has routinely referred to homosexuals and homosexuality in his columns as "poofs", "poovery" "dykery" and "buggery", that he attacked Tom Daley and his husband for having children because it was "unnatural", because he claimed that the Hopscotch Asian Women's Centre, a charity supporting Asian women suffering from poverty and domestic abuse, was actually giving "taxpayer funded hopscotch lessons only to Asian women", because he has been censured by the Radio Authority for inciting violence, because he has suggested on air that the police should use flamethrowers against homosexuals demonstrating outside Parliament, because he wrote a "novel" that has been described as "a 400 page recruiting pamphlet for the British National Party", because he described a trip for Muslim schoolchildren to Legoland as "a jolly jihadi day out" and suggested that they would all blow themselves up when they got there, because he said of five murdered prostitutes, "in their line of 'work' the occasional death by strangulation is an occupational hazard"... I'm sure even you get the idea. The fact that you feel compelled to defend him speaks volumes about you.

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chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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Mark Hartley on Facebook wrote:

I mean, most roads are small and there’s no other way to pass. What other option is there for motorists?

Because of cause you must pass cyclists, there is no other option...

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LeadenSkies replied to chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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Not only that, but most roads are plenty wide enough to pass with plenty of space. Every road with two carriageways (one in each direction) is more than wide enough, as are plenty of single track country lanes if you pass slow and ensure you have your offside wheel close to the far edge. It really is only the smallest of lanes where you simply can't pass safely but then you also can't drive along them much faster than a bike will travel and these usually have passing places if the motorist just waits a few seconds.

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brooksby replied to LeadenSkies | 2 weeks ago
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LeadenSkies wrote:

Not only that, but most roads are plenty wide enough to pass with plenty of space. Every road with two carriageways (one in each direction) is more than wide enough…

But then you'd have to cross the white line in the middle and that's against the law isn't it, or something…  

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