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“Driving a car at me isn’t the solution”: Cyclists debate filtering through traffic; “Imagine listening to Sean Kelly”: Cycling commentator sends fans into hysterics with pony sounds; Chris Morris backs Brixton Cycles fundraiser + more on the live blog

After a day of incessant tea slurping and biscuit munching with all the road.cc personnel, Adwitiya is back to give you an extra dose of cycling news on this end of the week live blog

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09 February 2024, 09:06
“Driving a car at me isn’t the solution”: Cyclists debate filtering through stationary traffic on the left after driver moves car to block cyclist

The hot topic of the day seems to be filtering, and whether it's a safe practice.

Right off the bat, some may say that it's perfectly safe — after all, it's perfectly legal to do so a cycle or a motorbike rider in the UK — that is, until you come across a motorist who's red from being stuck in the traffic and seeing cyclists zip past.

This is what cyclist who goes by the name of BADPASSHERTS on Twitter claims happened to him, on a route that he said he filters through twice a day everyday as part of his daily commute. "She turns her car into me as I’m filtering past," the cyclist wrote.

And there were some people who were downright against the practice of filtering and accused cyclists of being hypocrites for "not giving motorists 1.5m of space when passing them" (it's social media, what did you expect?). But some cyclists have also raised eyebrows at the safety aspect of the behaviour and questioned if there's enough space in the first place between the never-ending row of cars and the kerb for the cyclist to move through.

"If she tuned her car into a cyclist on purpose, that is not on. But that is a very very tight gap to be squeezing down," said one person, while another said: "I learned early on cycling to never undertake a vehicle. It’s a death wish not understood by many cyclists." Another cyclist said: "I always wait, it’s a lot safer when you have people like that around."

What is your take on this? Should cyclists continue filtering and report drivers like these, or is it a no-no for you?

09 February 2024, 17:04
Cyclists filtering through traffic: Your thoughts

The setting sun can bring only one thing on a Friday, and it's the weekend (maybe a pint or two, too?). But before we get there, here's a roundup of all the reaction and thoughts from road.cc readers on cyclists filtering through stationary traffic...

Car Delenda Est: If it's at a red light it's much safer to filter to the front unless the lights change at a bad time or someone decides to drive at you.

Miller: What's the point of being on a narrow, nimble bike and behaving as if you were a 2m x 5m block of metal? That's all the disadvantages of a car with none of the advantages. Of course cyclists are going to filter. The gaps you'll use or, conversely, not use, are down to your personal risk threshold and as I see every day, different people have different takes on that.

ChrisB200SX: I filter down the side which seems the safest in the situation.

We all make our own judgement on when a gap is too much risk for us, doesn't matter has small the gap looks (as long as it's actually big enough), the driver must not maneouvre dangerously. If it's deliberate like the video, that's just psychopathic and assault. It's all fairly clear in the Highway Code.

bensynnock: Filtering is actively encouraged at many junctions by the presence of a cycle lane leading up to an advanced stop box.

Watching that video though, I felt that there was very little space on the left to ride through there and I'd probably prefer to ride in the middle of the road then through that. I often find that vehicles will be at different positions on the road so it isn't always easy to filter on one side and you have to weave in and out which drivers dislike even more.

Oldfatgit: I'll always try to filter to the offside, and only filter nearside if there is an escape route ... for this very reason.

There is no excuse for what that driver did - road rage, pure and simple - and they should be prosecuted for it as they deliberately caused a collision. There was no need for the driver to change their line other than as a "fuck you ... you're not getting I'm front of me".
However ... we all know the chances of a successful prosecution, so I'm wondering if there is any percentage in - or even if you can find out - sending video footage to the drivers insurance company?

OnYerBike: If we had proper infrastructure the whole problem would go away!

In the situation of the video, I would probably have been doing the same thing, and I would be reporting the driver. It was certainly inconsiderate, if not downright dangerous - the cyclist is already alongside the car when it starts to move, so very little time for the cyclist to react. 

I tend to prefer filtering on the right, but in the video it appears to be quite a narrow road with frequent oncoming traffic, so in that situation I might well choose to filter on the left. 

I won't always filter - if there are only one or two cars at a set of lights, and I know it might be tricky for them to overtake me on the following stretch of road, I'll just take primary position behind them. In that situation, filtering ahead would be of little benefit to me (I'm going to get through the lights anyway and can't see that it would affect safety) so seems inconsiderate. Unless of course the drivers were "MGIFs" and overtook despite the red light ahead, in which case I'll merrily make my way past.

09 February 2024, 16:16
Anti-doping (CC BY-SA 2.0 DEED by Richard Masoner / Cyclelicious)
Doping could be "European football’s dirty little secret”, but is it cycling’s albatross around the neck?

It's not that serious, but watching this clip of Man United legends Gary Neville and Roy Keane talk about doping with such conviction, of course the conversation had to turn towards cycling.

Some have theorised the pair to be talking about Dr Agricola and Juventus, and maybe even Barcelona under Guardiola, calling doping as "European football's dirty little secret", but cycling, with cases of doping known far and well, it's interesting how you-know-who's impact on the sport and people's perception towards it still leaches into the present day.

But as much as Armstrong was involved in the EPO doping scandal, it was a sign of the times that so many professional cyclists were left with a big black stain, no one knows how many more were truly involved in rigging the game.

Lance Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel at the 2009 Tour Down Under (licensed CC BY 2.0 on Wikimedia Commons by Paul Coster)

Lance Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel at the 2009 Tour Down Under (licensed CC BY 2.0 on Wikimedia Commons by Paul Coster)

Case in point: Team Sky's former doctor Richard Freeman, who was banned from all sports for four years less than six months ago, for ordering testosterone gels at the Manchester Velodrome 13, yes, 13 years ago.

The sad part of the reality is that stories of doping still get injected into today's stream of cycling news (forgive the language). Just yesterday, we reported on the live blog about the many doping stories which have broken out lately, from Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale rider Franck Bonnamour’s dodgy blood profile to spindly Dutch climber Antwan Tolhoek turning very old school, by testing positive for anabolic androgenic steroid and being slapped with a provisional suspension.

> Cycling, spawning doping stories like it’s 1999, or 2009, or…: Former Jumbo-Visma and Lidl-Trek Antwan Tolhoek pops steroid positive, as Nairo Quintana’s old doctor faces criminal charges for ‘possession of a prohibited substance or method

Amsuing as it is, on the same day, it was revealed that everyone's favourite Colombian (I'm sorry, Bernal) Nairo Quintana’s former doctor is set to go on trial in France later this year for alleged criminal doping offences following an investigation which saw the Colombian’s hotel room raided during the Tour de France.

Meanwhile, another longstanding doping investigation, Operation Ilex – focused on the activities of Quintana’s compatriot Miguel Ángel López – has faced calls from a public prosecutor to be partly shelved, despite a recent report related to the investigation claiming that many cyclists are still trying to game the anti-doping system.

So my question is, with so much bad rep garnered in the last two decades, and the current scenarios indicating that the pros have maybe not learnt their lessons, can cycling ever move past the doping links?

09 February 2024, 15:50
"It's a Mads Pedersen show!": Danish sprinter records back-to-back wins in first two stages at the Tour de La Provence
09 February 2024, 15:38
The bad news keeps coming: 2023 was the worst year for bike sales since 1985, according to Bicycle Association report
Bike shop

2023 has dealt another significant blow to the bike industry, with Bicycle Association, the national body representing the market in the UK, revealing that last year was the worst in terms of sales, with numbers falling to the lowest they’ve ever been in almost 40 years, and further warning that the decline is likely to continue if there is no support from the  Government.

In a members-only meeting of the organisation in Birmingham on Thursday, details of the yet-to-be made public Market Data Report were revealed which showed that the UK’s cycling market value fell a further six per cent, following the already cataclysmic 18 per cent decline in 2022 amidst the post-pandemic downturn.

> 2023 saw the worst bicycle sales in the UK since 1985, reveals Bicycle Association report

09 February 2024, 13:58
"But can you carry a ten-foot ladder on a bicycle?"
09 February 2024, 12:38
Handing down the sentence, Judge Caroline English said: “This offence is quite obviously so serious that nothing other than an immediate and substantial custodial sentence can be justified.”
09 February 2024, 12:03
Brixton Cycles fundraiser
Comedian Chris Morris big ups Brixton Cycles fundraiser, asks people to "do what you can"

A legendary cycle shop and a legendary satire specialist teaming up wasn't on my bingo card this morning, but for once, I'm not complaining.

The Brass Eye star Chris Morris, after years of entertaining the British crowd with his deadpan and postmodern comedy (that's how I'd describe his immaculate style), has appeared in a video posted by the 40-year-old cycling co-op shop on Instagram to promote the crowdfunding campaign launched last week on its GoFundMe page.

"It's a fantastic place. It's a co-op, a community asset. Twenty-seven years ago, they build that," said Morris, wearing a hi-vis cycling kit and helmet inside the Brixton Cycles shop, and pointing to white, steel framed bike with beautiful leather bar-tape and a Brooks saddle, along with mudguards and panniers.

He continued: "They've been looking after it ever since. Whenever I come to pick it up from a service it's so well tuned, it's like a musical instrument. The idea that this place won't be here for at least another 40 years is upsetting… it's wrong. So please, do what you can. And if you have already, thank you."

Brixton Cycles was founded all the way back in 1983, and today, it stands as the oldest and most resilient of all the workers-owned co-operative bike shops that popped up all over the country in the 1980s, winning London Cycling Campaign’s Best Small Bike Retailer award in 2014.

But the shop was hit by a massive power outage in the final few weeks of last year, costing the shop around £30,000 and bringing its worst financial year in the last two decades to a bitter end.

However last week, the shop once again turned to the crowdfunding method to ensure its survival. 

> Iconic London bike shop Brixton Cycles launches fundraiser after three week-long power outage brings business “to our knees”

On its GoFundMe page, it said: "Towards the end of 2023, the lights went out, literally. A three-week external electrical fault brought us to our knees. Our insurance has covered some of the loss of earnings and the damaged equipment but not all of it. We kept our doors open and did our best to repair bikes with the aid of head torches, but we are, in all honesty, struggling to bounce back.

"Now we are asking humbly for some help. Our target amount is 30k. This corresponds with about 3-4 weeks of loss of earnings from our power outage. This amount would help us to get through and bounce back.

"We have served the community for 40 years and would love to continue to do so and be at the heart of Brixton’s independent shopping experience."

As of now, the shop has managed to draw in close to £23,000 from almost 750 donations in just five days, leaving the shop short of £7k more to reach its target. So in Morris' words, do what you can!

09 February 2024, 11:48
Parents angry that children are being taught to cycle in middle of lane and other “risky behaviour” by cycling instructors, says Bikeability
Cycling instructor teaching kid how to cycle

Despite record numbers of schoolchildren being taught to cycle in the UK, fewer young people are riding their bikes regularly due to concerns from parents about the behaviour of motorists on the road and the lack of safe, protected infrastructure, Bikeability has warned.

Bikeability's chief executive also said she had received complaints from parents that children were now being taught “risky behaviour” by cycle instructors based on the revised Highway Code, and were teaching them to cycle in the middle of the lane to make themselves more visible to motorists when approaching junctions, traffic islands, or while riding on narrow roads.

> Read more: Parents angry that children are being taught to cycle in middle of lane and other “risky behaviour” by cycling instructors, says Bikeability

09 February 2024, 11:09
Eamon Ryan - via wikimedia commons
“We’ll see a tipping point where there’s a massive increase in cycling and walking as a mainstream form of transport”: Irish Transport Minister makes strong statement on country’s active travel

A lot of words for nothing, or hope for some actual change?

Eamon Ryan, the Minister of Transport for Ireland from the Green Party, has spoken about his hopes and fears regarding the planet, climate change, and how active travel can make things a little bit better.

“Our planet is deeply in peril,” he said. “And there's real fear we have to act on climate change, because we don't you go over a tipping point where it turns into runaway climate change.”

> 20 per cent of Ireland's transport budget to be spent on cycling and walking under new coalition agreement in massive boost to active travel

Ryan added: “But there are also tipping points on the other side… I think we're going to see a tipping point in active travel with the money we’ve been spending, that billion euros we spent in the last four years. It reaches a certain point where it changes things on the ground.

“It makes it safe to cycle and when we make it safe to cycle, I'm absolutely convinced Dublin, just like Paris or London, is going to switch to cycling. And not just Dublin, Cork, Galway, Watford, Limerick, every town around the country. And we're very close to that point thanks to everyone in the NTA, designing it by good engineering putting networks together that connect jobs.

“That 82 per cent response yesterday in the consultation for change the city centre — I think the people are with this. Fingal and other councils around the country are starting to come around to reallocating space to making it safe to walk and cycle.

“It’s currently not safe. Talk to anyone who's cycling. It's not safe here to make it safe. And as we do that, it will change we will see a tipping point where there’s a massive increase in cycling and walking as a mainstream form of transport for a city. That's what we're celebrating here today.”

While the words are good, the reaction has been, less than ideal, let's say. People on social media are enraged, with even The Irish Times changing Ryan's words in their own tweet — from "a mainstream form" to "the main form" to perhaps make people continue believing that the governments are here to unleash the bane of cycling upon its people.

And it seems to have worked, judging by the response under the tweet: "Eamon Ryan says in the video "our planet is in great peril" as he packs his bags to head off to Brazil on a long haul flight," said one person, referring to Ryan's St Patrick's Day government trip. "All while the Greens plan 1950s Chinese style cycling for Irish people."

There's a lot more vitriol, but I'm going to spare you all that but it does propose an interesting and maybe even significant point. While I'd be the last person to trust a politician's words, maybe there is something hopeful on the horizon?

09 February 2024, 10:30
The Tour de France announcement you've all been waiting for...
09 February 2024, 10:04
“Imagine listening to Sean Kelly or Michael Wuyts instead of this!”: Commentator imitating pony over Alejandro "El Pony" Osorio’s win at Tour Colombia sends cycling fans into hysterics

Now let me get something straight: I am a huge, huge fan of Sean Kelly and he’s got nothing left to prove, whether it comes to cycling or commentating at the highest level.

…but, can Sean Kelly do a pony impression as good as this?

This crazy moment came when Mario Sabato, commentating over the final sprint of the third stage of Tour Colombia, contested by the newly crowned Colombian champion Alejandro "El Pony" Osorio and his late-breakaway amigo Rodrigo Contreras.

As Osorio latched on to Contreras’ wheel and put up a powerful sprint to get to the finish line ahead of the rest of bunch following in just behind the two breakaway riders, Sabato, commentating for Colombian television channel Deportes RCN, decided to sprinkle some of his own magic to elevate the moment.

Spanish-speaking commentators never cease to amaze me with their romps and frolics! I’ll be back, just going to watch that Messi goal against Getafe with Joaquim Puyal’s commentary…

PS. RCN will broadcast Giro d'Italia, Tour de France and Vuelta a España with Sabato on the mic for free! Just so you know, now that GCN+ is no more...

> What’s the best way to watch live cycling following the closure of GCN+?

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after completing his masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Cymru, and also likes to write about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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NotNigel | 1 year ago
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What's people's take on when filtering on the right when they come to traffic islands with keep left arrows on them? I normally go round them on the right but also feel a bit naughty in doing so.

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Hirsute replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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If you have a camera, keep left !
Last time I went on the right it was because the road was flooded.

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Oldfatgit replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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And you should feel naughty too.

You should be obeying the road sign unless there is a good reason not to.

Circular sign, blue background, white arrow?

It's giving you an order, so you need to obey ... obey ... obey [sorry, inner Darlek leaked out for a moment]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/traffic-signs

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NotNigel replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Thanks, yeah it has them.  In my defence, if I have one, the island is there purely as a traffic calming method on a stretch of straight road, it's not incorporated into a junction or crossing and I do navigate it with caution.  But will think twice next time...maybe.

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hawkinspeter replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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NotNigel wrote:

What's people's take on when filtering on the right when they come to traffic islands with keep left arrows on them? I normally go round them on the right but also feel a bit naughty in doing so.

I can be guilty of not obeying a few traffic rules when riding, but it'd be very rare for me to do that. Usually there's too much traffic on the wrong side for it to be safe and there's nearly always space on the left or right of the queuing traffic.

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brooksby replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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Most of the drivers I encounter on my commute filter past the island on the right, if they can't beat me to the pinch point 

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NotNigel replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Yup, had that done numerous times...a bit of difference a cyclist slowly going round an island in stationary traffic to a motorist steaming through be cause they can't wait two seconds to go round me after the island.  Usually causing oncoming traffic to slam on as they haven't looked further up the road than getting past me.

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Oldfatgit replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Just because *they* do it, it doesn't make it right or legal.

Be better than *them*.

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brooksby replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Oldfatgit wrote:

Just because *they* do it, it doesn't make it right or legal. Be better than *them*.

I've never done it.

So I am better than them yes

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peted76 | 1 year ago
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OMG the comments on that Irish Times piece...! 

One of the thickies, with no hint of irony, even suggests killing the MP who said- "there will soon be a tipping point where cycling will become the main form of transport" ! 

I have very little hope for active travel in Ireland! Who'd be a Green in the Emerald isle? 

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Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Filtering...

I'll always try to filter to the offside, and only filter nearside if there is an escape route ... for this very reason.

There is no excuse for what that driver did - road rage, pure and simple - and they should be prosecuted for it as they deliberately caused a collision. There was no need for the driver to change their line other than as a "fuck you ... you're not getting I'm front of me".
However ... we all know the chances of a successful prosecution, so I'm wondering if there is any percentage in - or even if you can find out - sending video footage to the drivers insurance company?

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ChrisB200SX replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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Oldfatgit wrote:

There is no excuse for what that driver did - road rage, pure and simple - and they should be prosecuted for it as they deliberately caused a collision. There was no need for the driver to change their line other than as a "fuck you ... you're not getting I'm front of me".

Would be a shame if the collision which the driver deliberately caused with a vulnerable road user resulted in a massive scratch down the side of the car and/or a smashed wing mirror.

Maybe they would learn from the consequences of their dangerous and unhinged actions?

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Oldfatgit replied to ChrisB200SX | 1 year ago
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People like that driver don't learn.

Without a shadow of a doubt, that "driver" does not feel that they had done anything wrong, and that the cyclist would be solely responsible for any damage.

Cocks like that "driver" never learn... there's always someone or something else at fault.

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eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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Compare the words of Eamon Ryan, the Minister of Transport for Ireland from the Green Party, to those of Mark Harper, Minister of Transport for the UK from the tory party:

and weep.

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OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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If we had proper infrastructure the whole problem would go away!

In the situation of the video, I would probably have been doing the same thing, and I would be reporting the driver. It was certainly inconsiderate, if not downright dangerous - the cyclist is already alongside the car when it starts to move, so very little time for the cyclist to react. 

I tend to prefer filtering on the right, but in the video it appears to be quite a narrow road with frequent oncoming traffic, so in that situation I might well choose to filter on the left. 

I won't always filter - if there are only one or two cars at a set of lights, and I know it might be tricky for them to overtake me on the following stretch of road, I'll just take primary position behind them. In that situation, filtering ahead would be of little benefit to me (I'm going to get through the lights anyway and can't see that it would affect safety) so seems inconsiderate. Unless of course the drivers were "MGIFs" and overtook despite the red light ahead, in which case I'll merrily make my way past.

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mikewood replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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Totally agree! Infrastructure wouldn't even be needed if everybody drove considerately and thought about other road users who can use the road in a different way than how you are forced to in a car.

One example would have stopped this which is to always leave space for someone on a bike to filter through if you are queuing.

Another is a favourite bugbear where someone passes you even though they can see (if they looked!) a car waiting to turn right and no space to pass them. There's a stream of traffic coming the other way but they insist on being up to the left kerb which means I can't get past even though it's clear for me. I have gone to the right of the MGIF driver and then left of the turning car if I felt it was safe.

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D.Railleur | 1 year ago
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Most drivers are ok. Some drivers make mistakes, we all do. Some drivers are just bad people, frustrated that owning and driving a car isn't like it is in the adverts, and for some reason they blame cyclists for that. Filtering is ok, where and when to filter is a matter for the cyclist. Riding a bike is an ongoing dynamic risk assessement with one overarching priority...stay alive.

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I'd report that as it was deliberate and caused another road user to brake and change their line.
I go on the right as a default.

One of my bugbears is going towards a set of lights where it becomes 2 lanes. You get drivers hugging the kerb well in advance of the split with the others on the centre line. Makes progress awkward and the drivers gain nothing by hugging the kerb.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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When the traffic queue looks like that then I will tend to wait, right of primary (so, in the position in the lane where all the drivers are sitting), and if there's a gap in oncoming traffic then I'll pass on the right but always be ready to slot back into the queue.  No way would I go down the left in traffic like that.

 

I wonder what would have happened had the cyclist actually been knocked off by the driver of the white SUV.  With it all being on camera… 

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wycombewheeler replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Hirsute wrote:

I'd report that as it was deliberate and caused another road user to brake and change their line. I go on the right as a default. One of my bugbears is going towards a set of lights where it becomes 2 lanes. You get drivers hugging the kerb well in advance of the split with the others on the centre line. Makes progress awkward and the drivers gain nothing by hugging the kerb.

Like when a driver is waiting to turn right, and the following car can't get past them, but still moves right over to the kerb, as if they might just be able to squeee past if they try

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Clem Fandango | 1 year ago
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And where are those painted murder strips cycle lanes that we "nEvEr usE" but should be obligated to apparently? 

Oh that's right, down the left hand side of the road.  So, unless the bike lane is "segregated" (I forget the term we're supposed to use now but you know what I mean) then are we to undertsand that according to the frothing drivists, cyclists should arrive at the back of a queue of cars (in the bike lane because it's a crime to be anywhere else) and then come to a halt just behind the last vehicle in the queue & proceeding to shuffle along a couple of metres at a time along with them? 

The only answer is to make all painted cycle lanes wide enough to allow us to ride down them with 1.5 metres of clearance from the vehicular flow.  Sounds reasonable enough.

 

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S13SFC | 1 year ago
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Unless there is a cycle strip on the nearside I always filter on the offside. 

Easier to see issues, more space and faster.

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Simon E replied to S13SFC | 1 year ago
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S13SFC wrote:

Unless there is a cycle strip on the nearside I always filter on the offside. 

Easier to see issues, more space and faster.

And your presence is going to be more obvious to the driver, as you are in their line of sight.

You are also at less risk of a driver pulling out of a side road or driveway; and pedestrians stepping into the road, whether they intend to cross or simply to go round something blocking the pavement.

I don't see any reason why I shouldn't filter along a static / slow-moving queue of cars on my way home from work. Tough shit if they don't like it. They are the ones blocking the road and causing the problem, not me. I always acknowledge a driver who pulls in a little or leaves a gap for me in front of them.

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don simon fbpe replied to S13SFC | 1 year ago
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Even when turning left?

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ktache replied to S13SFC | 1 year ago
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Unless it's this arse and they shove you into speeding oncoming traffic.

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CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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Without filtering, bike commuting in traffic is rather pointless.
I've always done it - even the much-maligned cycle proficiency taught it - but do find myself on the right more often these days. That also has its risks of course - frustrated drivers pulling a U-turn eg. But mostly I approach each queue on its merits, depending on where the space is, or where potential hazards lurk.
Re cars blocking: it does happen - not often as blatant or potentially dangerous as the vid though. Generally, it's not a major issue as they're just widening the gap on the other side, and I take great pleasure in winding past them, sometimes giving a little farewell wave as I trundle off. Very encouragingly, though, the number of drivers who do this is far outweighed by those who actually take the trouble to move over to let me past - not only super polite, but aware of their surroundings and RV mirror despite being stationary!

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don simon fbpe | 1 year ago
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Cars have to overtake bikes because they are more powerful and faster at the same time as cars having to stop the faster mode of transport when in congestion. Love the selfishness of england!

How would these drivers cope on European streets? Barcelona or Madrid, for example, where you'd be swarmed my moped riders on the left and right at each and every set of traffic lights.

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chrisonabike replied to don simon fbpe | 1 year ago
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don simon fbpe wrote:

How would these drivers cope on European streets? Barcelona or Madrid, for example, where you'd be swarmed my moped riders on the left and right at each and every set of traffic lights.

"Blue passports" I hear my brain saying for some reason...

Change (in "culture") can be frustratingly hard to achieve, but if we can get to where everyone else is doing it (and you are sometimes) I suspect it's either irrelevant (like being passed by people on a train) or just in the mildly irritating category.  Luckily most people are sensible, but there is definitely a significant minority in the UK for whom this provokes "I will bring righteous vengance upon these cheating tosspots - even at the cost of interrupting my own (urgent) journey!"

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don simon fbpe replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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It's interesting that the more I travel, the more I meet chilled out people and realise how selfish england is, these people may have voted to isolate themselves further from travel, broadening the mind and learning about new cultures.

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eburtthebike replied to don simon fbpe | 1 year ago
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don simon fbpe wrote:

It's interesting that the more I travel, the more I meet chilled out people and realise how selfish england is, these people may have voted to isolate themselves further from travel, broadening the mind and learning about new cultures.

It isn't so  much the English, as the people we elect to rule us.  Without doubt they are utterly selfish, isolated from real life, rich in money but not experience, and because of their position, those are the ones seen most.

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