You'll no doubt of heard yesterday's news broken on this website that Cycling Time Trials, the governing body of the sport in England and Wales, has made the big decision to ban time trials on roads that have a 20mph speed limit.
> Cyclists fear safe time trial courses will be lost as governing body introduces ban on events in 20mph zones
Despite speed limits not applying to cyclists, the governing body's decision relates to safety and optics... "CTT would not approve of cyclists overtaking other vehicles which are subject to a 20mph limit and pedestrians would not expect riders to be travelling at higher speeds," a letter from National Legal Adviser David Guy said.
On yesterday's live blog we rounded up some of the reaction from cyclists (plus there's plenty more in the original article), but the story has gone far and wide, even making it into the murky world of Facebook... the groups dedicated to people slating 20mph speed limits, to be more specific.
Such as this from the *checks notes* Action Against Unfair ULEZ CAZ, LTN & 20mph Nonsense group...
There was also some noise from the *checks notes again* Action Against 20 mph Speed Limits group "for all folk who think that 20 mph speed limits are too slow"...
Just brace yourselves for these... (I've left them unedited for your enjoyment/despair)...
"There would be uproar if temp road speeds were introduced just to accommodate cycle races when the rest of us have to put up with this crap 24/7"
"Ban them all if its good enough for cars, then its good enough for bikes"
"Should not be racing on public roads anyway, they tried doing road closures around here, there was uproar, telling people to either stay at home or go out between x time to x time etc. Funny a lot of drawing pins and tacks suddenly appeared on the routes they did close, since then it's been very quiet..."
That particular one coming from the obligatory 'account with pet dog as profile pic spouting bile about cycling'. Some more?
"Ditch the time trials simple! Have a 20 mph safety cycle. I am sure Drakeford would like to hand out the prizes for safe cycling and staying at a snail's pace. No accidents, nobody hurt and therefore no time trial. Why have a time trail if it puts cyclists at risk of putting pressure on the NHS? The very thing 20 mph is supposed to stop! I say Time trails are a danger stop them now!"
"The Welsh Government will probably raise the speed limit to 30 mph just for them on the days they want to race."
"Even the cyclists don't want to visit Wales anymore!"
Of the more normal reaction and comments we saw yesterday there was a mix of organisers and participants concerned at the impact of the rule on safe time trial courses, something that might push events onto faster, busier roads, making the sport less accessible.
However, road.cc reader Miller commented on our original story: "It's a bugger, and affects some courses round me, but I don't think CTT has any alternative. It's all too easy to imagine the right wing culture warriors gleefully tearing into time trialling on this point."
There are loads of other considerations and views, of course, which can be found in our original article and yesterday's live blog...
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Because there's so much inconsistency in speed limits, there will be higher standard 20-limit roads exempt and lower standard 30-limits that are allowed.
It's people driving too fast properly set speed limits are there to protect pedestrians and cyclists from, it can't do that if there's over 90% non-compliance.
I've never heard anyone arguing for 20mph speed limits while complaining about the behaviour of drivers going speeds under 25mph.
At the end of the day you've summarised it:
It's people driving too fast.
As usual I agree - clarity and consistency would be a big help. Especially as enforcement is unlikely to carry the day. But rght now speed enforcement is (deliberately) the exception not the rule. THAT is an issue.
As of course (on the "safety and nicer places for the non- motorised" side) are our junction designs and mixing incompatible modes. (Or rather - fixing it for motor vehicles to get everywhere, then saying "of course, you can still walk and cycle in many of those places...")
Brilliant Santander Cycles record, chapeau! Just wondering though, considering the humourless cycle-hating brigade at Royal Parks once sent David Millar a warning letter for breaking the Strava record round Richmond Park, how long will it be before they realise Cameron's top speed of 26mph is well in excess of the Inner Circle limit and take action?
I can't look at any of the anti-cycling BS coming from that andti 20mph group and over the tug-gate incident. My IQ's dropped hard enough just comprehending it.
Racing events on open roads has been occurring for well over a century. In all that time dangerous incidents have been extremely rare up until recently where riders have been KSI on dual carriageway courses thanks to *checks notes* innatentive driving. To suddenly ban it outright is nonsensical at best.
I don't give a fuck what statistics say over roads being apparently safer. There are just a massive increase in near misses and non-incidents that could have put people in danger that actually havent. And that is where roads feel more dangerous.
(Wishful thinking to the extreme, but) if every driver suddenly had to take a current driving test in full with no preparation before being allowed back on the roads, nearly everyone would fail. For most, it's small things, like not keeping up to date on HC knowledge, or occasionally going 2 or 3mph above a speed limit. But for a large minority there would be many major faults.
Strongly Agree. some of the things you see on the roads daily make you believe a lot of people have never had a lesson, never mind passed a test.
The day of your driving test should be the worst you are at driving throughout your driving career. Anyone who thinks they couldn't pass a driving test today without any prep work should go and get some refresher lessons before they drive again. The driving test is the minimum standard, for an experienced driver it should be a complete walk in the park.
Surely you've reversed things - it's minimum speed limits and proving you can achieve maximum test standards - once?
Obviously the driving test is mostly artificial technical standards; after that you can get on with driving like everyone does in reality. Which could be tired, hung over, juggling your coffee and phone, with passengers (your mates / kids / argumentative relatives / pets).
Because "I have to drive". But nobody "has to cycle" - and anyway this TT stuff is just racing which is also surely dangerous...
Wonder where the record would be at if he hadn't talked that much...
The Manchester Useless have lost again?
Aha - I see my calendar says it was a day with D in it .
Fair play on the Boris Bike record, that is a great effort - as he says, with limited gears it's the cadence that's the issue!
I had no idea there was such a thing as a Santander cycle hour record. But I am very pleased there is.
Got to love social meeja nonsense. It's noticeable how the concerned drivist (or anti ULEZ or whatever FB warrior) is always so concerned about the pressure being put on the NHS whenever somebody gets on a bike. Remember those passive aggressive signs that appeared in gardens & villages across little Britain during t'pandemic: "Stay at Home! Protect the NHS! (yes you in the lycra clad brigade*,) let alone the local FB group nonsense?
"Why have a time trail if it puts cyclists at risk of putting pressure on the NHS?"
Indeed. I can only confidently assume that this one neither drives - given that traffic congestion will clearly hold up ambulances & KSI stats bear out that "pressure" is being put on the NHS as a result of you know....cars & driving - nor walks, drinks, smokes, uses ladders etc.
* There must be a band or at least an interprative dance troupe called The Lycra Clad Brigade?
The whole FB group is full of hilarious rants, ridiculous claims, prejudiced views, incitements to commit crime, the usual crap.
Fixed it.
Thank you.