CHPT3 Transit Cycling Shoe

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I am pretty sure you don't apply the same unrelenting unforgiveness to yourself. But I don't know why it is so.

anotherflat wrote:

White? Would last about five minutes before being ruined for ever on a rainy day.
The firm feel underfoot is presumably down to having a stiff sole plate for cycling and cleat attachment rather than the sole's thickness.
Similar in style to the original Axo filter skate shoe-style spd and now the 5/10s. Run those for well over a decade now with SPDs, this style of shoe seems to last for ever, I've got a pair I bought on sale 2 years ago that are still boxed waiting for the current pair to finally die.   

As the review mentions, they are available in black as well.

(I agree with your comments, though - I have a pair of 5/10s that do a very similar job.)

Steve K wrote:

As the review mentions, they are available in black as well.

Still white soles though which seems silly.  Even tan wall would have been better.

Shake wrote:

Why do near all shoes have to use dead animal skins. Plenty of good alternatives

Speaking as someone who doesn't wear leather, I find cycling one of the easiest pursuits for which to buy non-leather shoes. Nearly all road and gravel shoes have synthetic uppers nowadays, and if you want a pair of non-leather casual shoes like these, the Adidas Vegan Velosambas are synthetic, available for half the price (even list price, available in limited sizes on Sports Direct for 20% of the price) and in my humble opinion are a lot cooler than these. 

Leather is a by-product of the meat industry, unless we are discussing about fur. Animal protections organisations accept that no extra animals are killed for leather, but try to say that this is a co-product instead of a by-product, that makes animal farming more profitable, thus attractive. But there is another angle on this issue that few ethical vegans dare to touch.

I see making a huge war on leather stuff, but almost not a single mention to cat and dog food that are composed of meat industry byproducts and despite the fact that established organisations like PETA have stated that carnivore pets can survive healthy on a vegan diet.

Every time I see a hardcore ethical vegan having a carnivore pet, I start to question the whole stucture of logic. When I see ethical vegans, buy and cook meat exclusively for their pets, I really worry about the future of this world.

Can I just ask, are you a vegan yourself or are you one of the vast army of people who for some reason prefer picking holes in other people's ethical codes rather than addressing their own ethics*? Apologies if you are the former but trying to drag the question of vegan pets into comments on a review of a pair of shoes rather makes me suspect the latter.

*My personal favourite: being called a hypocrite for watching cricket on the television in a pub because of the leather ball…

No I am not, but I hope I could in the future and I welcome vegans, as any people becoming vegan is good for everybody, including me, with the reduction of greenhouse gases emissions. Meat industry emissions are huge and few actually realize the impact. We are talking about cycling and sustainability all the time, whereas someone having a fast ride and then eating a juicy beef burger, actually produces much more emissions than if the travel was made by car.

Having been bitten by dogs though a couple of times and another one nearly having been knocked off my bicycle somewhere with poor legal framework, I think I could be a little ranty about pet dogs. Actually no, ranty is not enough, if I add the dog poo I have stepped onto, nights hearing dogs barking and walking on the street seeing guys carrying a deadly weapon controled by an equivalent human two year old and in bestcase restrained by a leash.

Well obviously as a vegan I entirely agree with what you say about emissions, although of course none of us is perfect - my food emissions could be a lot lower if I could resist the temptation of avocados and imported wine… I think we should all encourage each other rather than point out our foibles though, if somebody tells me they are becoming a vegetarian, or even that they are just trying to eat meat less regularly, I say good for you, go for it, I don't immediately ask them why they are not becoming vegan; unfortunately if one mentions one is a vegan (something which, contrary to popular cliche, I never do unless there is a context which makes it necessary to do so, e.g., if somebody invites me to dinner) many people immediately start trying to find the chinks in one's armour - I've literally had people demanding to see the label of my shoes to prove they aren't leather!

As far as pet dogs goes, I sympathise with the reasons for your antipathy although I love them myself and would have one (with a vegan diet, naturally) if our garden was big enough. However, what you were talking about there really is not bad dogs but the bad owners, I would be all in favour of greater policing of and sanctions for bad dog owners, in particular I would love to see a £1000 fine for anyone who lets their dog crap on the street and doesn't pick it up. Of course I wouldn't apply that to the people who do pick it up and then hang the bag on a bush or tree, them I would send straight to prison…

Cats and veganism is a more difficult one, as HollisJ says, cats are obligate carnivores and so it's difficult to keep meat out of their diet. There are a range of interesting new products coming to the market and a number of studies that have shown that cats can thrive just as well with the essentials they get from meat, such as taurine, provided by substitutes synthesised from plant life, but these products and the research are very much in their infancy.

I do happen to have three cats living with me but as it was my wife (who is not vegan or vegetarian) who chose them and paid the rescue shelter fees and buys their food, they are hers really. The fact that they might come and sit on my lap or that I regularly play with them and that I adore them is merely coincidental… I fully recognise my hypocrisy in this respect!

Rendel Harris wrote:

Can I just ask, are you a vegan yourself or are you one of the vast army of people who for some reason prefer picking holes in other people's ethical codes rather than addressing their own ethics*? Apologies if you are the former but trying to drag the question of vegan pets into comments on a review of a pair of shoes rather makes me suspect the latter.

*My personal favourite: being called a hypocrite for watching cricket on the television in a pub because of the leather ball…

How can you complain about climate change, you flew somewhere once?

That might be true of dogs but certainly not of cats, who are obligate carnivores. I've had the same cats for 11 years now (i went vegan only five years ago), so could hardly kick them out on the street due to a change in my ethics.

Even so, being vegan isn't about being perfect, as The Vegan Society quote goes: 'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.'

The key bit is ' as far as is possible and practicable'.

Not me, PETA says so stuff https://www.peta.org/living/animal-companions/vegetarian-cats-dogs/

@Steve K, You could just say that I exist and therefore exhale CO2 and that would be an even greater argument.