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2021 Pinarello Dogma F - 17.jpegPinarello launches Dogma F in time for Tour de France
Italy’s Pinarello, supplier of bikes to Ineos Grenadiers, has launched the Dogma F which takes over from the Dogma F12 as its top-level road bike. This is the bike that many people speculated would be called the Dogma F14 when it first broke cover a month ago.
Fancy a few bullet-points on Pinarello’s claims to get up to speed?
- The Dogma F frame is 9% lighter than the F12 and the fork is 16% lighter
- The Dogma F Disc frame kit (including seat post, headset, fork, and Talon cockpit) is 265g (21%) lighter than the F12
- It is 12% stiffer around the bottom bracket
- Disc brake version is “4.8% more aerodynamic” than the equivalent Dogma F12
- Rim brake version is “3.2% more aerodynamic” than the equivalent Dogma F12
- The disc brake model has lower drag than the rim brake version for the first time
- Dogma F Disc (size 53) built up with Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 (9100) and DT Swiss ARC1400 wheels weighs 6.8kg (no pedals)
Pinarello remains one of the few brands that doesn’t offer a lightweight climbing bike and an aero bike at the top of its race bike range (although Specialized, for example, has moved back in that direction with the Tarmac SL7 that’s designed to provide both light weight and aero efficiency).
“This is a bike that is perfect for every type of rider and every terrain, because real-world riders aren’t specialised,” says Pinarello. “You need a bike that can climb and descend with equal flair, attack every corner and make every watt count on the finishing straight. The Dogma F is designed to do just that, no matter the circumstances.”
Pinarello says that when designing the Dogma F its priority was on handling rather than shedding weight.
“Yes, the complete Dogma F Disc frame kit is 11% lighter than the F12, but that is a result of our R&D team’s commitment to innovation and new production methods such as 3D-printed titanium componentry,” says Pinarello.
“Close attention has been paid to the seatpost, headset, fork, and the Talon cockpit, resulting in a saving of 265g compared to the Dogma F12, while also being 12% stiffer around the bottom bracket, with improved aerodynamics providing significant watt savings.”
Pinarello says that it designed the updated Onda fork from scratch twice, in the sense that it had to develop both rim brake and disc brake versions. The brand says that it gave the two different versions of the Dogma F equal priority. The fork is said to be 16% lighter than previously, mainly due to new carbon fibre materials available.
The profile of the disc brake fork has been changed from that of the Dogma F12 to improve interaction with the front wheel.
“Drag is practically non-existent until the air has travelled halfway along the frame,” Pinarello says – which is quite a claim. We’d love to see the statistics that back it up.
“Thanks to innovation derived directly from the Bolide [Pinarello’s time trial bike], the blades of the new Onda fork actually act as sails that favour forward movement in crosswind conditions – an effect that is amplified as the wind gets stronger."
Pinarello says that the Dogma F benefits from a narrower seat tube (just 20mm wide at the top junction) and seatpost taking advantage of the UCI rules for 2021 reducing minimum tube width, and that new down tube cross-sections improve aerodynamics.
The seatstays use new cross-sections designed to improve airflow with the rear wheel, and they are lowered (they meet the seat tube lower than on the Dogma F12), especially on the disc version, to reduce frontal area.
“The 15mm clockwise rotation of seatstays increases the bottom bracket stiffness to compensate the loss from the reduction of the seat tube width for the aero and lightweight seatpost,” says Pinarello.
The frame takes 1 1/2in headset bearings and a threaded bottom bracket. It’s built for electronic groupsets only and you still get two different positions for the second bottle cage. The maximum tyre width you can use on either the disc brake or rim brake version is 28mm, whereas many other recently launched road bikes allow for wider tyres.
“Every detail of the Dogma F has been refined for improved airflow, from the improved front fork section that cuts through the air to the new rear triangle that channels airflow harmoniously out the back, making it 4.8% more aerodynamic in the disc version compared to the Dogma F12.”
Pinarello says that compared with the Dogma F12, the Dogma F saves the equivalent of 1.3 watts at 40 km/h (25mph) and 2.6 watts at 50 km/h (31mph).
Interestingly, Pinarello says that the disc brake version of the Dogma F has lower drag than the rim brake model – 7.3% lower if you consider just the frame and fork. The difference is far less dramatic when you take the complete bike plus the rider into account; in those circumstances, the disc system has an advantage of just 0.2%.
As previously, Pinarello uses TORAYCA T1100 1K carbon with Nanoalloy Technology for the Dogma F. According to Japanese manufacturer Toray, “Nanoalloy technology is an innovative microstructure control technology… that can bring about dramatic improvement in characteristics compared to existing materials by minutely dispersing multiple polymers on a nano-metric scale.
The technology enables high performance and functionality in polymers which could not be achieved in conventional alloys of micron-metric scale (one-millionth of a metre).”
Pinarello has stuck with the principle of asymmetric frame production here on the basis that the two sides experience different forces. Pinarello modifies tube profiles and adds reinforcing carbon to take account of the drivetrain’s positioning.
Pinarello says that the seatpost design has been modified to reduce weight and drag (down by 30% compared with the Dogma F12). The clamp is now made from Selective
Laser Melting (SLM) titanium to drop the weight further.
The Talon Ultra handlebar is said to be the same shape as previously but 13% lighter and just as stiff thanks to a new carbon layup.
Pinarello offers the Dogma F in 11 frame sizes with 16 handlebar widths and two options for seatpost setback.
Pinarello claims a raw (unpainted) frame weight of 865g (size 53). It says that a built-up disc brake version of the Dogma F is about at the UCI’s 6.8kg minimum weight limit for racing. The Dogma F Disc (size 53, no pedals or bottle cages) built with a Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 (9100) groupset and DT Swiss ARC1400 wheels is said to be 6.8kg (no pedals) while a SRAM Red eTap AXS build with DT Swiss ARC1400 has a claimed weight of 6.9kg. A rim brake version of a similar level would be below the UCI's weight limit.
The Dogma F will be raced by Team Ineos in the Tour de France. They’ll almost certainly use the rim brake version; Geraint Thomas and Tao Geoghegan Hart were using rim brakes in the pics supplied by Pinarello. It’ll be interesting to see if any riders opt for discs.
Availability
The Dogma F will be available from September in three colourways from a range of 20 launch retailers in the UK, including Pinarello's London and Manchester stores. The frameset will be available from December, with custom MyWay orders beginning in January 2022.
Prices
- Frameset (rim and disc versions) £5,400
- Dogma F Dura-Ace Di2 groupset, MOST Ultrafast 40 Carbon Wheelset £11,000
- Dogma F SRAM RED e-tap groupset, DT Swiss ARC 50 Carbon Wheelset £12,000
Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.
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Sadly in the USA , Pinarellos are supported only by the importer not the manufacturer. After 2 years you are pretty much out of luck.
The importer admitted that my Prince frame had seen cracks develop due to the carbon layup but only offered $500 off a new $5 k frame. It is now my most expensive piece of wall art.
Go with a manufacturer that supports their product.
Nice to see the new bike being presented with Campag EPS instead of the ubiquitous whatever.
It is a lot of money, but its actually rather good that you can buy arguably one of the best bikes available for less than a mediocre new car.
I think this is the point people miss sometimes, not just with bikes, but they are one key example, This is the top end of bikes (opinions are free to vary on which ~£10k bike you'd prefer) and in the world of cars would be like buying a £2/300k supercar. A large majority of people could afford it if that's the most important thing they wanted, cutting back on more frivilous expenses, saving effectively for a while, taking out a personal loan, would make one of these available to 80% of the people who visit this site within 18 months, doing the same would not get you even close to affording the equivalent car.
Yes but equally you can buy a top of the range sound system for £10k. Doesn't make it good value just because it's 1/100th of the price of a Bugatti and so everybody could afford it.
i do think the point about it being accessible to lots of people to a point (I could buy one if I wanted to exhaust life savings) is fantastic, but it's still very expensive to my mind.
I don't know what you would define as a top of the range sound system, but 10k would get you a good system, but "top of the range" - maybe not. I'm 18k in on mine and there's room for improvement.
Top of the range hifi is stratospherically priced, welcome to the world of £100k turntables (Techdas Airforce 1), £50k cartridges (DS audio Grand Master), £70k CD players (DCS audio Vivaldi stack) before you even look at speakers such as Wilson Audio WAMM Master and Dan D'Agastino Relentless power amps ( £250k for the power amps, and then you'll need a pre amp too). Then you'll need cables and they're priced accordingly!
A top of the range system would swallow up £1m easily.
Excellent idea - I'm just going to grab some of those along with some Siltech Emporer Crown cables to listen to my old Wham cassettes.
Quite, though I was surprised to see that the cost of buying & running a Formula 4 car for a season was about £ 70k, which seems pretty reasonable by insane F1 standards.
Not long ago the top pro-spec bikes were £5,000. That is still a huge amount of money for a bicycle. Doubling it only to get effectively the same thing seems ridiculous.
You will still need to pedal just as hard as if you were on a £2,000 bike so the question remains: what exactly are you getting for the huge premium?
And comparing a pedal bike (or even an e-bike) with a new car simply doesn't compute. Cars are infinitely more complex and can do a huge range of things you couldn't manage with a Dogma. It's like comparing a knife with a machine gun.
RobD's reply to my comment actually made my point rather better than I did. I was not comparing the relative merits of car vs bike, but rather that a dream bike is much more attainable than a dream car.
It would be interesting to see analysis of where the money has gone... electronic groupsets, hydraulic disc brakes, special carbon with 'nanotechnology', fancy deep-section wheels are all things that were not present on superbikes of yore.
Well it damn well should be! Just as a competition-level rowing boat should be much more attainable than a Sunseeker luxury motorboat.
To my mind Pinarello are milking the combination of Sky/Ineos grand tour domination with Italian bike-building history or heritage for maximum effect, as they have done for nearly a decade.
But I'd never think less of someone who owns or rides one and wouldn't mind trying a top-spec bike simply to see what the fuss is about. But it would be wasted on me, a bit like a high performance car that is driven cautiously and never goes above 70 mph.
Only here for the "it's for people with chips on their shoulder about being fat/slow" comments from people with chips on their shoulder about being unable to afford one.
I can't afford one (and I am also fat and slow) but I seriously wouldn't want one if I had the money, I would far sooner have a £5000 bike and £6000 to spend taking it to the world's best mountains. Sure, it's lovely to look at, but so are many far cheaper bikes, and the performance advantages for anyone who isn't a pro or at least at the top of the amateur ranks really are negligible.
Sure, but you can make that argument at any price point. People dropping ten grand on a new Dogma are probably also able to afford those trips to the mountains. Conversely, there are people who'd rather spend your five grand bike budget on a two grand bike and three grand's worth of travel.
I'd love to have a go on one, just to see if it was (by my amateurish lights) any different from my best bike - which while hardly cheap is nowhere near superbike territory.
Nowt wrong with having nice things 'cos they're nice. I want a Bauhaus chess set. Pretty sure it won't make me a better player, but by golly it's nice, if pricey.
There are occassionally Pinarello demo days which would let you try one. Similarly it looks like there are a couple of places that hire them out for reasonable daily rates. (in both cases probably not the latest model but F10 or F12 which can't be too far behind).
Personally, I'm not a massive fan of the looks. It's distinctive (which I guess is part of the point) but from a purely aesthetic point of view I think some of the Wilier bikes are much prettier, especially in that velvet red paint they do...
You can't be serious... The F12, whilst wonderful until yesterday, is miles behind. 4.3% less excellent in the bottom bracket area, and 12% visibly less radiant overall. It does not have zero drag until behind the head tube, and that's partly why the bike and rider will be 0.2% draggier at Mach 2.
This is the new Daz of bikes, and makes the old seem like shite. Race against someone on the F10 (old old Daz) and you'll find they actually go backwards from the start line because it lacks the nanometric scale bits.
So don't be fooled that these are only marginal gains and you can have anything like the experience on an F10 rental. That's just naïve.
Totally irrelevant to a bike website I know but if you have/know someone with a 3D printer the files to print one out are available free on t'net.
Still looks like a Giant to me...
...Nothing wrong with that Giant. That's a thing of beauty too.
Aside from all the curved tubes vs the straight ones on the giant?
I do get the point though, with the rules in place from the UCI a lot of the Aero bikes end up looking very similar.
£5,400 for a frameset is laughable. Honestly, these telephone number prices for frames really has to stop.
I really don't get the fuss about Pinarello (or Colnago) really - I'm not sure I can get past the fact the people I see riding Dogma's are such a cliche of all the gear and no idea that even a comedian would think you'd taken the mamil piss take joke too far.
Bikes like this are the old super car posters of old. They look incredible and I so desperately want one, but I'd look ridiculous on it as much as I would having a lambourghini on my on-street inner city parking. And I wouldn't use it as simply too nice to put any miles into it and cause it wear and tear
Bikes like these are left for the pros to do them justice. It'd also ruin the dream as my first puncture or rain-soaked outing would make me realise that life isn't as perfect as the posters.
I've got a very expensive Colnago. I've also got lots of very expensive kit too. I can guarantee you I'd drop you like a stone on ANY climb. Jog on you snobby wee shite.
Well that escalated quickly...
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Thanks for sharing. I really hope it makes you sleep well at night.
You've just brilliantly proved his/her point. The best riders I see on my travels tend to have £4-5k bikes, the fat menopausal lads (like me but I haven't the cash) are the ones with the top £10k+ gear. Unless you're actually going in for a GT your "very expensive Colnago" is nothing but a sad penis extension. Harry Tanfield told me last year that Dura Ace is no better than Ultegra...by the way don't use also and too in the same clause. Hope that's snobby enough for you.
We can tell how much they cost by spending too much time on cycling websites looking at reviews! And the £4K-£5k bracket is easier as generally it'll be the top notch stuff but not the stupidly expensive stuff that appears in all the pro races etc.
I'm not going to ask what a mobile cheese grater rides like.
At the end of the day, the rider is a bigger differential than the machine. I live near the Factor offices and see plenty of employees on their bikes - some are ridiculously quick and others I could beat quite confortably on my steel single speed up any hill they cared to mention.
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