Shimano says it isn't stopping European retailer selling to UK customers

Nothing wrong with robust debate, even if it's only related to day-to-day cycling in a fairly tangential manner.

Especially when you consider that the whole bent bananas thing was a complete lie made up by - er, wait a minute! - by our current Prime Minister.

brooksby wrote:

Especially when you consider that the whole bent bananas thing was a complete lie made up by - er, wait a minute! - by our current Prime Minister.

I am sure Boris has committed various crimes and misdemeanours but steady on there Brooksby, that banana story was doing the rounds in the late 70s, when he was but a callow youth and we were the newest member of the Common Market.

It was the banning of prawn cocktail crisps that Johnson made up for his column, then admitted was fake and then repeated as true during the referendum.

eburtthebike wrote:

"For example, Shimano 105 pedals (which have a retail price of £114.99) have increased from £69.49 to £89.99 on Chain Reaction Cycles."

Here's the bit you missed, it's directly after your quote.

"However, it's a similar story elsewhere in Europe"

Sure it wasn't intentional, it's not like you routinely try and mislead people...

FWIW tariffs on bike components manufactured outside the EU will actually be lowered after we leave the EU.

Rich_cb wrote:

Sure it wasn't intentional, it's not like you routinely try and mislead people.

Thanks, I'll be quoting that.

eburtthebike wrote:

Thanks, I'll be MISquoting that.

FTFY.

Funny how much indignation you express when you're accused of dishonesty yet you just can't stop yourself.

Pathological

Rich_cb wrote:

eburtthebike wrote:

Thanks, I'll be MISquoting that.

 

FTFY. Funny how much indignation you express when you're accused of dishonesty yet you just can't stop yourself. Pathological

Dear oh dear oh dear; is that the best you can manage?

As Oscar Wilde said "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."

eburtthebike wrote:

Dear oh dear oh dear; is that the best you can manage?

As Oscar Wilde said "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."

It's not really a battle of wits Burt.

It's just me pointing out your repeated dishonesty.

You lie/misquote/mislead. I point it out.

Rinse and repeat.

Rich_cb wrote:

eburtthebike wrote:

"For example, Shimano 105 pedals (which have a retail price of £114.99) have increased from £69.49 to £89.99 on Chain Reaction Cycles."

 

Here's the bit you missed, it's directly after your quote. "However, it's a similar story elsewhere in Europe" Sure it wasn't intentional, it's not like you routinely try and mislead people... FWIW tariffs on bike components manufactured outside the EU will actually be lowered after we leave the EU.

Seeing as you seem to be part of the trade negotion team, can you give us a few more insights on the tarrifs we can look forward to?  Have these other countries all signed up yet, after all it is 'the easiest deal ever' according to Gove et al.

You don't seem to understand how tariffs work.

The government have published the tariffs that they will be applying.

Google it.

Can't seem to find any info. Could you post a link? (I can find lots of stuff about the Japan - EU Free Trade Agreement)

Lukas wrote:

Can't seem to find any info. Could you post a link? (I can find lots of stuff about the Japan - EU Free Trade Agreement)

this is all I could find - assuming it covers components as well as bicycles - but like most things brexit it's awfully intricate and complicated, won't necessarily mean good news for many, and will cause an imbalance probably leading to prices rising tomorow despite bombastic headlines today

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/britain-to-remove-tariffs-on-non-eu-bicycles...

That article's referring to the temporary tariff schedule that was proposed if we'd left without a deal (and therefore without a transition period), which would have (temporarily) removed tariffs on most goods coming in to the UK. Now that we're in the transition period it no longer applies.

Thanks - it wasn't a very encouraging endorsement of Brexit (what is?) Lots of words like 'temporary', 'if', 'should'. Also tariffs into the EU will cause a lot of 'pain' for UK manufactures and service industries. 

Here you go:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-tariffs-from-1-january-2021

And here's a lookup tool:

https://www.check-future-uk-trade-tariffs.service.gov.uk/tariff?q=Bicycl...

For bike parts it mainly seems to be moving from 4.7% to 4.0%, although 2% tariffs on inner tubes will be removed entirely.

Quite a few have 'autonomous suspensions' noted, though, and I can't quite get to grips with what that means - whether there are currently no tariffs, or there  will be temporarily no tariffs from next year.

Unless there's a deal, tariffs would also apply to parts coming from the EU, which would currently be tariff-free.

mdavidford wrote:

Quite a few have 'autonomous suspensions' noted, though, and I can't quite get to grips with what that means - whether there are currently no tariffs, or there  will be temporarily no tariffs from next year.

Those "Autonomous Suspensions" are current exemptions from tariffs for goods that the EU is basically short of (in the simplest terms). It's reviewed regularly and although it used to include things such as bicycle handlebars, it appears it no longer does.

fukawitribe wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

Quite a few have 'autonomous suspensions' noted, though, and I can't quite get to grips with what that means - whether there are currently no tariffs, or there  will be temporarily no tariffs from next year.

Those "Autonomous Suspensions" are current exemptions from tariffs for goods that the EU is basically short of (in the simplest terms). It's reviewed regularly and although it used to include things such as bicycle handlebars, it appears it no longer does.

That's what I figured, but confusingly they've put the comments regarding them into the 'after' column. So I'm not entirely clear whether it will go from no tariff (under the suspension) to tariffs at whatever UK rate has been set, or will continue to be suspended for the time being even once the change happens.

Thanks for the links.

Although whether the actual shelf price reduces is another matter.

Well, yes - considering we're mostly talking about something like 67p on the cost of a £100 part, it seems unlikely to really make a difference in most cases. And if we start applying tarrifs where they were previously suspended that would suggest that prices on those would be more likely to go up. Plus if there's no deal with the EU and therefore tarrifs on anything coming from there, that would be an overall upwards pressure on prices.

Here you go.

https://www.check-future-uk-trade-tariffs.service.gov.uk/tariff?q=Bicycl...

Thanks. (Wasn't brexthick supposed to reduce bureaucracy, paperwork, complications? That was an awful lot of info to absorb, understand and react upon. When previously it wasn't required) 

It was previously required for anything not manufactured in the EU.

Most bike components are not manufactured in the EU.

Most of the trade deals that the UK has so far agreed with non EU countries for post Brexit trading are a simply carry over of the existing tariffs we got as part of the EU. 

Rich_cb wrote:

FWIW tariffs on bike components manufactured outside the EU will actually be lowered after we leave the EU.

In general, I find that highly unlikely.