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Tour de San Luis

by enrique
Tue, Dec 31, 2013 11:27
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This just can't get any better! It looks like the Tour de San Luis may trump the TDU for a better field and more exciting racing. Can't wait! 1

The Tour starts on Jan 20 and runs through Jan 26.

Its stages look something like this:

Stage 1 Flat
Stage 2 Cat 1 Summit Finish
Stage 3 Flat
Stage 4 Cat 1 app. 4 or 5 km (maybe lesss) before Finish
Stage 5 19.2K Time Trial
Stage 6 Cat 1 Summit Finish
Stage 7 Flat

I've edited this post to add rider values below 'cause I thought it'd be cool to have a Forum-based Purist competition for the Tour. Please add a team below if you want to participate. Deadline will be at the start of Stage 1. If you make changes to your team please edit your own comment so only your latest team will show up. Happy New Year! 1

Here's the race profiles link:

http://www.toursanluis.com/etapas/

A cyclingnews.com article on Omega Pharma:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/omega-pharma-quickstep-send-strong-team-...
Boonen and Petacchi join Cavendish in sprinting line-up

The most current start list:

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_San_Luis_2014-Startlist

The Top 15 Competitors according to PCS rankings:
Peter Sagan
Joaquim Rodriguez
Vincenzo Nibali
Mark Cavendish
Nairo Alexander Quintana
Daniel Moreno
Michele Scarponi
Carlos Alberto Betancur
Pieter Weening
Beñat Intxausti
Filippo Pozzato
Tanel Kangert
Tyler Farrar
Jean-Christophe Peraud
Sacha Modolo

START LIST SORTED BY RIDER VALUE

Vincenzo Nibali Astana Pro Team 37.7
Peter Sagan Cannondale Pro Cycling 36.4
Nairo Alexander Quintana Movistar Team 35.3
Joaquim Rodriguez Katusha Team 32.1
Mark Cavendish Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 30.1
Daniel Moreno Katusha Team 25.3
Carlos Alberto Betancur AGR La Mondiale 24.0
Tanel Kangert Astana Pro Team 23.7
Michele Scarponi Astana Pro Team 22.7
Beñat Intxausti Movistar Team 22.5
Janier Alexis Acevedo Garmin - Sharp 21.8
Taylor Phinney BMC Racing Team 20.1
Domenico Pozzovivo AGR La Mondiale 20.0
Damiano Caruso Cannondale Pro Cycling 19.7
Jean-Christophe Peraud AGR La Mondiale 19.3
Ariel Maximiliano Richeze Lampre - Merida 18.4
Luca Paolini Katusha Team 18.1
Moreno Moser Cannondale Pro Cycling 18.0
Thomas Danielson Garmin - Sharp 18.7
Tyler Farrar Garmin - Sharp 17.3
Pieter Weening Orica GreenEDGE 17.2
Andrey Amador Movistar Team 16.8
Giacomo Nizzolo Trek Factory Racing 16.8
Jurgen Van Den Broeck Lotto Belisol Team 15.4
Adriano Malori Movistar Team 14.7
Alessandro Petacchi Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 14.2
Haimar Zubeldia Trek Factory Racing 14.2
John Darwin Atapuma BMC Racing Team 14.2
Alessandro Vanotti Astana Pro Team 13.9
Francisco José Ventoso Movistar Team 13.9
Rinaldo Nocentini AGR La Mondiale 13.3
Giampaolo Caruso Katusha Team 13.1
Christian Meier Orica GreenEDGE 13.0
Dominik Nerz BMC Racing Team 12.9
Edwin Alcibiades Avila Team Colombia 12.9
Alessandro De Marchi Cannondale Pro Cycling 12.8
Pablo Lastras Movistar Team 12.5
Angel Vicioso Katusha Team 12.2
Sacha Modolo Lampre - Merida 12.0
Damiano Cunego Lampre - Merida 11.8
Fabio Andres Duarte Team Colombia 11.8
Alberto Losada Katusha Team 11.3
Guillaume Van Keirsbulck Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 11.2
Ivan Santaromita Orica GreenEDGE 11.2
Lucas Euser UnitedHealthcare Presen 11.1
Filippo Pozzato Lampre - Merida 11.0
Gianluca Brambilla Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 10.9
Jose Rodolfo Serpa Lampre - Merida 10.8
Manuel Quinziato BMC Racing Team 10.7
Matteo Montaguti AGR La Mondiale 10.4
Miguel Angel Rubiano Team Colombia 10.3
Aidis Kruopis Orica GreenEDGE 10.2
Stijn Vandenbergh Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 10.1
Fredrik Kessiakoff Astana Pro Team 9.9
Jens Keukeleire Orica GreenEDGE 9.9
Lawrence Warbasse BMC Racing Team 9.9
DE Tosh Van Der San Lotto Belisol Team 9.8
Peter Stetina BMC Racing Team 9.7
Davide Appollonio AGR La Mondiale 9.6
Anthony Delaplace Bretagne- Séché Environ 9.1
Benjamin Jacques-Maynes Jamis - Hagens Berman 8.4
Danilo Hondo Trek Factory Racing 8.4
Marco Marcato Cannondale Pro Cycling 8.2
Andrea Peron Team Novo Nordisk 8.1
Kenny Dehaes Lotto Belisol Team 8.1
Frederik Willems Lotto Belisol Team 7.9
Jean Marc Bideau Bretagne- Séché Environ 7.8
Oscar Gatto Cannondale Pro Cycling 7.8
Nathan Brown Garmin - Sharp 7.7
Fabricio Ferrari Uruguay 7.4
Leonardo Fabio Duque Team Colombia 7.4
Marc De Maar UnitedHealthcare Presen 7.4
Tom Boonen Omega Pharma - Quick-Step 7.1
Armindo Fonseca Bretagne- Séché Environ 7.0
Mikel Landa Astana Pro Team 6.4
Winner Anacona Lampre - Merida 5.8
Benjamin King Garmin - Sharp 5.6
Martijn Verschoor Team Novo Nordisk 5.6
Sander Armee Lotto Belisol Team 5.6
Florian Guillou Bretagne- Séché Environ 5.3
Adam Yates Orica GreenEDGE 4.7
Eloy Teruel Jamis - Hagens Berman 4.3
Jelle Vanendert Lotto Belisol Team 3.4
Phillip Gaimon Garmin - Sharp 3.4
Juan Jose Haedo Jamis - Hagens Berman 3.1
Agustin Martinez Cuba 3.0
Alcides Flaviano Vieira Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Alfredo Lucero San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Ariel Sivori Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Caio Godoy Ormenese Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Carlos Anias Cuba 3.0
Carlos Eduardo Alzate UnitedHealthcare Presen 3.0
Christopher Williams Team Novo Nordisk 3.0
Claudio Marcelo Arone Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Cleberson Weber Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Clement Koretzky Bretagne- Séché Environ 3.0
Cristian Egidio Da Rosa Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Cristian Martinez San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Daniel Alexander Jaramillo Jamis - Hagens Berman 3.0
Daniel Diaz San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
David Lozano Team Novo Nordisk 3.0
Eduardo Sepulveda Bretagne- Séché Environ 3.0
Emanuel Domingo Guevara San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Emiliano Contreras Argentina 3.0
Enzo Josue Moyano San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Eugenio Alafaci Trek Factory Racing 3.0
Fabio Silvestre Trek Factory Racing 3.0
Facundo Lezica Argentina 3.0
German Nicolas Tivani Argentina 3.0
Gregory Brenes Jamis - Hagens Berman 3.0
Ignacio Maldonado Uruguay 3.0
Isaac Bolivar UnitedHealthcare Presen 3.0
Javier Mejias Team Novo Nordisk 3.0
Jonathan Clarke UnitedHealthcare Presen 3.0
Jorge Giacinti San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Juan Esteban Arango Team Colombia 3.0
Juan Ignacio Curuchet Argentina 3.0
Juan Pablo Valencia Team Colombia 3.0
Julian Barrientos Argentina 3.0
Julian David Arredondo Trek Factory Racing 3.0
Julian Paulo Gaday Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Kevin De Mesmaeker Team Novo Nordisk 3.0
Leandro Carlos Messineo San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Lisnandi Alonso Cuba 3.0
Lucas Manuel Gaday Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Luke Keough UnitedHealthcare Presen 3.0
Marcos Crespo Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Matias Presa Uruguay 3.0
Mauro Abel Richeze Argentina 3.0
Nicolas Arachichu Uruguay 3.0
Pedro Sibila Cuba 3.0
Ramiro Cabrera Gonzalez Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Richard Mascaranas Uruguay 3.0
Rob Squire Jamis - Hagens Berman 3.0
Rubén Ramos Argentina 3.0
Santiago Alejandro Espíndola Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Sebastián José Tolosa Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Sebastian Martin Junior Trillini Argentina 3.0
Sergio Daniel Godoy San Luis Somos Todos 3.0
Thiago Rodrigues Clube Dataro de Ciclismo 3.0
Walter Fernando Perez Buenos Aires Provincia 3.0
Yasmani Martinez Cuba 3.0
Yennier Lopez Cuba 3.0
Sixto Nuñez Uruguay 3.0

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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Stumps | 11 years ago
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DrH, for the pick 3 riders comps through the year i will give it a go. Will let people know what races suit me best for shift work if thats ok.

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drheaton replied to Stumps | 11 years ago
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stumps wrote:

DrH, for the pick 3 riders comps through the year i will give it a go. Will let people know what races suit me best for shift work if thats ok.

Cool, like I said I'll run the Giro, Tour and Vuelta but if anyone wants to run a pick three Aussies/Americans/Brits for the Tour Down Under/California/Britain or any other race they're welcome although it'd be best if we could keep them to meaningful races rather than having a pick three Brits for the Tour of Oman or crap like that.

Also, only one 'pick three' comp per race please 1

Once I've uploaded the spreadsheets I'll stick a forum topic up with the details of how I've run them.

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northstar | 11 years ago
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Are you signing up for the premium this year Enrique? : )

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TERatcliffe26 | 11 years ago
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Yup I did run one before and I did it as purist. Its too much effort to try and do it with transfers. The spreadsheet I had wasn't very good, but it worked for me

Here is my purist team (if it comes in budget as I can't open zipped files)

Acevedo
Phinney
Cavendish
Sanatromita
Arrendondo
Diaz
Kangert
Duque
Quintana

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enrique replied to TERatcliffe26 | 11 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

Yup I did run one before and I did it as purist. Its too much effort to try and do it with transfers. The spreadsheet I had wasn't very good, but it worked for me

Here is my purist team (if it comes in budget as I can't open zipped files)

Acevedo
Phinney
Cavendish
Sanatromita
Arrendondo
Diaz
Kangert
Duque
Quintana

Can you send me a copy to try to build on it? Or post a copy here? I'll send you my email address.

I'm attaching the start list below, as a jpg file. It's based on the current one available at ProCyclingStats.com. If someone can resize it to make it easier to view, I'd appreciate it. If you need it I can send you a copy of the data in Excel or as a text file. I also updated the thread (above) to show the start list with the corresponding rider values.

Dave, I have to ask, 4 is there any way you'd consider adding San Luis to the game? I'd be happy to score it! It seems like cyclingnews.com was able to get all the info needed to score the race last year! 4

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dave atkinson replied to enrique | 11 years ago
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enrique wrote:

Dave, I have to ask, 4 is there any way you'd consider adding San Luis to the game? I'd be happy to score it! It seems like cyclingnews.com was able to get all the info needed to score the race last year! 4

nope. TDU is the season opener for us and i think it's confusing for new players to immediately have two competitions running

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northstar replied to dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:
enrique wrote:

Dave, I have to ask, 4 is there any way you'd consider adding San Luis to the game? I'd be happy to score it! It seems like cyclingnews.com was able to get all the info needed to score the race last year! 4

nope. TDU is the season opener for us and i think it's confusing for new players to immediately have two competitions running

May I request a judicial review on this decision please? : )

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drheaton replied to northstar | 11 years ago
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northstar wrote:
Dave Atkinson wrote:
enrique wrote:

Dave, I have to ask, 4 is there any way you'd consider adding San Luis to the game? I'd be happy to score it! It seems like cyclingnews.com was able to get all the info needed to score the race last year! 4

nope. TDU is the season opener for us and i think it's confusing for new players to immediately have two competitions running

May I request a judicial review on this decision please? : )

I agree with Dave, for the first race of the season the TdU is a good, fairly high profile season opener and it's nice that everyone is just racing one race together. It concentrates the mind and is a good race to start with giving a mix of flat and mountainous terrains.

Running two races concurrently as a season opener is confusing for old and new players alike (I really don't want to have to go from no races to two races straight away) and it feels overly complicated for the first week of the season.

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enrique replied to TERatcliffe26 | 11 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

Yup I did run one before and I did it as purist. Its too much effort to try and do it with transfers. The spreadsheet I had wasn't very good, but it worked for me

Here is my purist team (if it comes in budget as I can't open zipped files)

Acevedo
Phinney
Cavendish
Sanatromita
Arrendondo
Diaz
Kangert
Duque
Quintana

Ok. Purist it is. Here's my team:

37.7 Vincenzo Nibali
36.4 Peter Sagan
21.8 Janier Alexis Acevedo
15.4 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
14.2 Haimar Zubeldia
12.0 Sacha Modolo
3.1 Juan Jose Haedo
3.0 Daniel Diaz
3.0 Leandro Carlos Messineo
Total 146.6

TER, your team comes in just a little high, see below:

37.7 Vincenzo Nibali
30.1 Mark Cavendish
23.7 Tanel Kangert
21.8 Janier Alexis Acevedo
20.1 Taylor Phinney
11.2 Ivan Santaromita
7.4 Leonardo Fabio Duque
3.0 Daniel Diaz
3.0 Julian David Arredondo
Total 158.0

I put up the rider values at the beginning of the thread so you can make some changes. I also sent you my email address so you can send me the spreadsheet, if you can. Thanks! I wish we could do transfers, 'cause there's such a varied terrain, but Purist will have to do!

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enrique replied to enrique | 11 years ago
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TERatcliffe26 wrote:

The spreadsheet I had wasn't very good, but it worked for me...

Got your spreadsheet, TER, thanks! Let's see if more people will join. If you like I can do the daily stage scoring and you can do the team scoring, or vice versa...

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dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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here you go: middle value curve, based on even spread of all stage types

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enrique replied to dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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Dave Atkinson wrote:

here you go: middle value curve, based on even spread of all stage types

Thanks, Dave! 1

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dave atkinson | 11 years ago
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i can do a dump of baseline rider values if you like, based on a spread of stages

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drheaton | 11 years ago
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No thanks, I won't be running much on the forums this year. Happy to hand over the reigns on the 'pick three' comps too if anyone wants them although if not I'll run them for the grand tours at least.

Might be Saturday before I upload the spreadsheets but I'll sort them out as soon as I can.

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enrique replied to drheaton | 11 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

No thanks, I won't be running much on the forums this year. Happy to hand over the reigns on the 'pick three' comps too if anyone wants them although if not I'll run them for the grand tours at least.

Might be Saturday before I upload the spreadsheets but I'll sort them out as soon as I can.

Ok. That sounds good.

I think TERatcliffe26 ran a Forum-based competition for the Vuelta Pais Vasco back in 2012 when it wasn't part of the game. I think it ran as a Purist. Maybe that's the way to go. Pick 9 riders with no transfers, otherwise it might be a headache to manage without the game interface.

http://road.cc/content/forum/55990-vuelta-ciclista-al-pais-vasco

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Gkam84 | 11 years ago
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I doubt you'll see riders values for most people unless they are riding in the tour down under.....

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enrique replied to Gkam84 | 11 years ago
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drheaton wrote:

Don't worry, I'll stick them on drop box for everyone to use. If I get bored at work tomorrow I might throw together one for a race too.

Thanks, dr! 1 You wanna run the competition? 1

Gkam84 wrote:

I doubt you'll see riders values for most people unless they are riding in the tour down under.....

You're probably right, so maybe I'll see if I have the latest values from last year stored somewhere... but maybe Dave might publish them 39 didn't Dave publish all the values for all the riders on the 'Rankings' link last year? They didn't appear on the game team selection page but you could look at them on the 'Rankings' page, couldn't you? 7

By the way, since you scored games last year, too, do you happen to have any spreadsheets we can use to play San Luis?

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drheaton | 11 years ago
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Don't worry, I'll stick them on drop box for everyone to use. If I get bored at work tomorrow I might throw together one for a race too.

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drheaton | 11 years ago
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Not for a full game, happy to distribute my bodged spreadsheets for the 'pick 3' competitions but I don't have anything set up for a full race.

Shouldn't be too hard to set one up though, a tab per stage with a list of riders then columns for the different types of points (finish line, jerseys, lanterns rouge etc). Sum the columns then 'offset match' or reference them to a tab with the overall results in that one.

Let me know if you have any problems.

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northstar | 11 years ago
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Do it enrique, i'm in.

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enrique replied to northstar | 11 years ago
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northstar wrote:

Do it enrique, i'm in.

Ok. Let's see if when the game opens up they have rider values for all the WorldTour riders that will be in the TSL. I guess for the local team riders we could just assign a 3.0 value... Depending on how many people show an interest we can play Pick 3, or get full 9 man teams and either play two stages, maybe the 'queen stage' and another 2 or 3 stages or or maybe we can play all 7 stages if it's not too many of us... maybe if we're a lot, and especially if the race info is spotty, we could just play counting just finish line points, GC, KOM and PC jerseys, no intermediate sprint points, no KOM, no last man, blah blah blah... let me know...

It looks like the stages are something like this:

Stage 1 Flat
Stage 2 Cat 1 Summit Finish
Stage 3 Flat
Stage 4 Cat 1 Finish
Stage 5 19.2K Time Trial
Stage 6 Cat 1 Summit Finish
Stage 7 Flat

Here's the race profiles link:

http://www.toursanluis.com/etapas/

And the cyclingnews.com forum thread:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21627

dr, do you have any spreadsheets from last year or the year before I could use as a model?

drheaton wrote:

Not for a full game, happy to distribute my bodged spreadsheets for the 'pick 3' competitions but I don't have anything set up for a full race.

Shouldn't be too hard to set one up though, a tab per stage with a list of riders then columns for the different types of points (finish line, jerseys, lanterns rouge etc). Sum the columns then 'offset match' or reference them to a tab with the overall results in that one.

Let me know if you have any problems.

I'll take them! I'll send you my email address through a private message! Or you can post here through an attachment... 1

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jollygoodvelo | 11 years ago
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Is it wrong that I'm getting excited about the new season already? 4

When can we sign up?

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ragtimecyclist replied to jollygoodvelo | 11 years ago
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Is it wrong that I'm getting excited about the new season already? 4

Not at all...although i usually wait to get the Tour Down Under out of the way first 3

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Gkam84 | 11 years ago
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Won't be in the game 103

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enrique replied to Gkam84 | 11 years ago
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Gkam84 wrote:

Won't be in the game 103

What a shame! 22 I'm tempted to try and run a Forum-based competition... 39

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