Deep Breath Everyone

northstar wrote:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

northstar wrote:

So when is the cheating going to reversed?

i refer you to my reply in the first thread. it's right at the bottom.

Which is not addressing the problem at all, when is the cheating going to reversed?.

Dave Atkinson wrote:

2) No, we won't be docking any points for the stage. No rules were broken. If you want to be angry at someone, you can be angry at me.

I think that pretty much covers it in full. Just because it's not the answer you wanted doesn't mean it hasn't been addressed.

The 'cheating' will not be reversed, that is the stated position and won't change. If this is a problem for you then take your £10 and stop playing the game.

northstar wrote:

Which is not addressing the problem at all, when is the cheating going to reversed?.

I think you should take it straight up to Brian Cookson and the UCI if the matter continues unresolved to your satisfaction

Dave Atkinson wrote:

i should never have closed the first thread, this had been *so* constructive.

As I keep saying it's got people using the forum

stumps wrote:

... will people stop calling it cheating, its not.... how is that cheating?...

Are you dismissing the way northie feels about this?

Gkam wrote:

The argument was lost in the previous thread, when Dave set out what was going to happen, but Northstar decided to go on a one man vigilante style rampage and just demand things. Slowly hooking in a couple of comrades, but as has been the case, is being ignored by most and liking their own comments just looks stupid.

Sorry if im confused by the above comment but are you suggesting I am one of those that have been hooked?

I have always been and always will be my own person ....

I have asked stumps if he exploited the system without an answer
I asked the general populace if anything would change ...you answered that
I pointed out to Dave that ,1, the use of Godwin law as a form of censorship nullifies it's use and , 2, asked a question based on his own legal jargon both of which have been ignored
I have suggested north was out of order for use of the c bomb

I believe all of the above were legitimate statements/ questions which I as a paying individual had every right to ask/ state and expect a response

I have stated I am satisfied with your answer so how have I been hooked in?

Again if I'm confused and this wasn't including me then I'd be happy to hear confirmation from you on that

Edit: I'd like to know how you can see who has liked comments because I'm pretty sure I haven't liked any of my own

northstar wrote:

... it's still cheating...

Well, I'm running out of ideas, but this (!) one may work! Gkam, why don't you take take a 50 point penalty in the next race and that way you voluntarily give up the points you gained with the breakaway? Crap, there's unlimited transfers for Flanders, that (!) won't work... Hmmm.... damn, Northie... what now?

I have to say this. I think Ray (below) was very upfront and (!) he brings up a point that's potentially more significant:

ray silvester wrote:

I freely admit to taking advantage of it by changing Gruzdev to Aregger after the break was known... I'm happy to have my 177 docked to 167... people are getting so worked up about it....yet barely a ripple when breakaway riders are scored that don't even finish without a mention of this rule change anywhere... Surely over the course of a season this will have much more effect on the final rankings than one breakaway being taken advantage of due to a clock change?

On another note, according to the Gent - Wevelgem thread, chris noted that the clocks were wrong at 10:09 30th March 2014:

chrisdstripes wrote:

Has the clocks going forward thrown out the transfer deadlines? eg this one says deadline is 11:25 UK time, but the race starts at 11:25 Belgian time. Just didn't want people to be able to make transfers once the race has started. Might be wrong... its all a bit confusing for me...

I think the transfer window was supposed to close at 11:30, if I'm reading correctly (http://fantasy.road.cc/stages)

Gkam84 posted his team at 12:27 30th March 2014.

G, I don't know if you have these system privileges, but could you have been able to close the window? I don't know how fair it would have been to notice the error and close the transfer window immediately, but in the worst case, it might have been better to close the window than to leave it open... chris and ray did both bring it up with enough time to have been able to close it at the posted time...

northstar wrote:

So yeah, it's still cheating "cunt".

LOVE IT

northstar wrote:

When is the "cheating" going to be reversed?

northstar wrote:

When is the cheating going to be reversed?

northstar wrote:

When is the cheating going to be reversed?

Gkam84 wrote:

I said LIKE yourself, no you personally, think you might want to read it properly, before your head boils and your fingers spew out crap

LOL, you still implied i wanted late deadlines when I did not, stop trying to twist your way out of this.

As for the rest of your post, the only crap is coming from you (and others) trying to weasel their way out of this.

northstar wrote:

... your pathetic attempts won't work.

But they're fun!

Anyways, even though I agree the points were 'ill-gotten', so to speak, because they were gotten with information that was not published nor made known to everyone nor was it the intention of the competition organizer that the competition be held with that type of an advantage available to some users, namely those that are checking the deadline and see they can select some riders without the general knowledge of the rest of the game participants, I just honestly believe Dave will not go back on his decision. And it's a tough decision to make. He's opting for taking on the responsibility of acknowledging that the deadline error should have been avoided.

But let me tell you. I fully agree it was a 'deceptive' way of getting points. But who am I to point out what's 'deceptive' and what's not? Fair point, I agree. So read on at your discretion...

Not that I mind what happened, I'm ok with it. So what? I sure don't think it's a criminal act, but, when I think about this, I think about insider trading in financial markets, when certain information is made available to select buyers or sellers but not to the general trading public.

It seems to me this is almost the same thing.

Wig Billy, Ray and Gkam noticed, but only Gkam, if I'm not mistaken, announced his selections on the forum. Was it wrong? I don't think so, not necessarily. I think in Gkam's case, at least, it was all for a bit of fun, knowing full well some people would take it in stride, but, obviously, not expecting this backlash. I don't think Gkam meant to cheat, per se. It's a shame, because I think he never imagined anyone would see it as 'cheating' but, sometimes we don't think things through and if you're of the mindset that it was 'cheating', who am I to try to dissuade you otherwise?

Still, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that the majority of the users were not aware that the deadline was permitting the selection of the breakaway riders and I do believe that, if polled, most users would agree that choosing those riders for your team is not part of the scope of the intention of the game. It is extremely obvious to any player that most of the time, getting a person in a breakaway is half luck, half an art, but, obviously, the game was not set up to be played with the knowledge of what riders are in the breakaway, I mean why have a deadline, then? So, it's easy to see your point that the intended deadline was not respected...

So, basically, I agree the points were 'ill-gotten', but I don't think Dave is in the business of chastizing people. But I'm pretty certain that had this happened in the financial markets, well, it would have been a matter of time before you had the SEC, here in the USA, knocking on your door, they probably would have investigated, leveled charges of criminal securities fraud or something, handed out a few fines, voided some transactions, forced the firm to make financial restitution, if possible, to any affected clients and definitely made sure no one profited from 'insider' information

Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic, but fun, fun, fun!

northstar wrote:

When is this going to be properly addressed?

Oh, boy! You're back! That's great! Ok, I want in!

Ok, by the situation being 'properly addressed', do you mean:

1) When is the situation going to be rectified? As in, when will the game managers either, a), remove the points gained by the 'offendors' or, b), give others the same amount of points that were gained by these folks that put the breakaway riders on their teams?

or...

2) When will someone come out and state in no uncertain terms that the conduct displayed by the people who put these riders on their teams was not in the spirit of the game?

What is it, then, that you mean by 'properly addressed'?

I have to believe that Dave saying:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

1) [A]pologies for the mix up... Sorry.

2) [W]e won't be docking any points for the stage. No rules were broken....

wasn't, for you, 'properly addressing it'?

What then, would it take to 'properly address it'?

Hmmm... What's the right thing to do?

I'm intrigued by what your definition of what 'properly addressing it' would mean in black and white terms...

Would you find it 'acceptable' being awarded a 50 point bonus for your pain, suffering and distress? Would that make things right?

Or are you thinking the whole subscribership has been harmed, too?

The mysteries of the human mind and human motivation...

northstar wrote:

No one but I know why I am being 'attacked'...

stumps wrote:

I forgot its April Fools day...

Gkam84 wrote:

I have done nothing wrong...

Well... Strictly speaking, think about it, suppose you really, really liked this game... And suppose you really felt like it was unnecessary 'point-grabbing' and sneaky to get ahead in the competition by taking some points by slotting in some riders in the break because of a glitch in the system... Wouldn't you be annoyed? The man's got a point, really... He may be going on and on about it, but he's got a point!

Hmmm... He reminds me of someone... Can't quite figure out who, though...

drheaton wrote:

I've been following this most of the day and had to stop myself from posting a few times...

I don't know how you stopped yourself, to tell you the truth, I haven't been able to...

drheaton wrote:

what we have is one side that is explaining what happened... and another side full of conspiracy theories...

I do have to give credit to Dave for taking responsibility for the deadline issue

northstar wrote:

But you have?

You and everyone here all know I am not the one with the small mind.

Ha, who are you trying to kid. Sorry i forgot its April Fools day

stumps wrote:

northstar wrote:

But you have?

You and everyone here all know I am not the one with the small mind.

Ha, who are you trying to kid. Sorry i forgot its April Fools day

No one but I know why I am being "attacked" (if you can even call it that)

As for the apparent joke of a reply above i will let that speak for itself : )