TdF Stage 1

Joelsim wrote:

Disliking Cadel has nothing to do with him being an Aussie. The bloke has had a personality bypass.

I like Gerrans, a lot.

I never mentioned anything u said about Cadel. Joel, he is very dry agree, but what has he done to bring sport into disrepute ever?
It was the hate and names other called him after the fall at Giro !

All I did was stand up for him and point out his record and professionalism.

NOWHERE did I ever say Cadel wasn't a weirdo or dry as a ........The Italians love him.
People saying I hate this and that .. All lies, putting words in mouth. I don't think I have shown any hate here towards any rider here and if you look back I was generally the first or ONLY person to actually congratulate a rider on here saying Kudo's etc great rider I like this bloke blah blah . I have given wraps to Preidler, Zoidl, CHavez, Yates, Mohorvic, impressive young rider from LTB cant think atm. So I don't know beside cav were you all making this up ?

drheaton wrote:

OK, reason is clearly wasted on you VVV73, let's try sarcasm (with added CAPSLOCK BECAUSE THATS CLEARLY MORE YOUR THING).

I blame Gerrans, it's CLEARLY his fault because he's Australian. Aussies all have CHIPS on their SHOULDERS because they're DESCENDED FROM CRIMINALS. If he'd been properly British he'd have better manners in a sprint and know when to get out of the way of faster sprinters. I mean WHAT was an old man like that doing TRYING to CONTEST a sprint in a major race like the TOUR DE FRANCE.

/sarcasm

Actually that's bordering on racist and derogative. How ever you tried to disguise it. hah joking

drheaton wrote:

OK, reason is clearly wasted on you VVV73, let's try sarcasm (with added CAPSLOCK BECAUSE THATS CLEARLY MORE YOUR THING).

I blame Gerrans, it's CLEARLY his fault because he's Australian. Aussies all have CHIPS on their SHOULDERS because they're DESCENDED FROM CRIMINALS. If he'd been properly British he'd have better manners in a sprint and know when to get out of the way of faster sprinters. I mean WHAT was an old man like that doing TRYING to CONTEST a sprint in a major race like the TOUR DE FRANCE.

/sarcasm

As my dad would say Aussies don't like it up-em! That phrase was picked up watching the All Black's bulldoze the Aussies whilst living and growing up in New Zealand

drheaton wrote:

In a situation like this that could so easily mean the end of a riders race throwing accusations and blame around is pointless, especially when it is so coloured by nationality. It's clear VVV73 that whenever Aussies are involved you lose the ability to be reasoned, if Cav and Gerrans' positions were reversed you would have still come to the same conclusions and be calling for Cav to be booted from the race for it.

If nothing else if Cav is out then it is very sad for the race. Cav, in Britain, would have been a huge pull, especially for Monday, and actually seeing a fit Cav vs Kittel and Griepel would have been great, now we'll have to wait another year for a chance at a proper sprint showdown.

Whatever dude, you don't hear Gerrans whinging every week about other riders then come out and do that! And I was actually more concerned about all the other riders tours ruined on FIRST DAY , cause he thinks he is god. I was shattered gerrans went down as I thought he could win tomorrow. anyway none you will see him at fault regardless so its all good . Have fun burying your heads

drheaton wrote:

if Cav and Gerrans' positions were reversed you would have still come to the same conclusions and be calling for Cav to be booted from the race for it

Errrrr ... what? How is this of any value? Their positions weren't reversed and we aren't ever going to be able to rerun that sprint such that they might be.

The problem is Cav has "form", inasmuch as he has been involved in (more than) his fair share of spectacular finish line smash ups. This may be correlation (until Kittel turned up he was the best sprinter of his generation; if there was a crash in a sprint finish, Cav was likely to be somewhere nearby because it was a sprint and because a whole lot of his competitors shape their sprint around him) or it could be causation (he is overly aggressive), who knows. But it means people are more willing to express a view on the subject than might otherwise be the case. No one has expressed a view that Gerrans is a dangerous sprinter (I don't think he is), probably because he only turns up in the sprint in a particular kind of finish.

surly_by_name wrote:

drheaton wrote:

if Cav and Gerrans' positions were reversed you would have still come to the same conclusions and be calling for Cav to be booted from the race for it

Errrrr ... what? How is this of any value? Their positions weren't reversed and we aren't ever going to be able to rerun that sprint such that they might be.

The problem is Cav has "form", inasmuch as he has been involved in (more than) his fair share of spectacular finish line smash ups. This may be correlation (until Kittel turned up he was the best sprinter of his generation; if there was a crash in a sprint finish, Cav was likely to be somewhere nearby because it was a sprint and because a whole lot of his competitors shape their sprint around him) or it could be causation (he is overly aggressive), who knows. But it means people are more willing to express a view on the subject than might otherwise be the case. No one has expressed a view that Gerrans is a dangerous sprinter (I don't think he is), probably because he only turns up in the sprint in a particular kind of finish.

Well Said.

Anyway there is a 19 yo German kid who will be smoking all of them within 3-4 years!

livestrongnick wrote:

Unfortunately a crash is part and parcel of a tour de France sprint stage

Not our place to be throwing accusations around regardless of what ever our national bias might be!?

Cav does every time he gets beat!
I am not anti British at all, I am ANTI -CAV always have been always will be, Greipel is the nicest sprinter there. ( he cry's every time he loses its never his fault gets up his tema mates) ( yet his best days were when he ALWAYS had ANZAC lead outs, renshaw, hendeson)

Unusual view, you hate a rider. ? To support a rider/team is better way to view life. Blaming individual riders when sprinting for the line is futile when it is part of the race and collisions will happen

CXR94Di2 wrote:

Unusual view, you hate a rider. ? To support a rider/team is better way to view life. Blaming individual riders when sprinting for the line is futile when it is part of the race and collisions will happen

U right hate is a bad word as I am stinging atm, you don't even know me I am a huge supporter and only ever DISLIKED 2 riders, Rui Costa and Cav.

A cycling Journo Opinon below.

More on that Cavendish v Gerrans stramesh

The pair seemed to be having quite a frank exchange of views and shoulders as they jockeyed for position on the run-in. On Twitter, it's been suggested there may even have been a headbutt or two, but I'll need to see it again before giving a definitive verdict.

5.01pm BST

Hmmm ...

I've just seen the head-on of that crash and it certainly seemed that Cavendish got a little up close and personal with Gerrans, but he certainly didn't headbutt him. A push into Gerrans' shoulder with his head/helmet? Certainly. A headbutt? Emphatically not. Away from the crash, it briefly looked as if Fabian Cancellara might nick the stage, when he made his move with 1,200 metres to go, but in the end it was Kittel who prevailed by about a bike-length from Peter Sagan. Cancellara finished 12th in the end, while defending champion Chris Froome was sixth, no less.

OH WAIT
Wasn't this exactly what Browny was kicked off tour for?

surly_by_name wrote:

TV footage isn't particularly helpful, mostly because overhead shot is focused out in front of the crash. Looked to me like Cav decided he needed to get out from behind a wheel to accelerate and Gerrans was in the space Cav wanted to be in. Gerrans was slightly in front of Cav and either didn't see him or more likely figured he didn't have to give way to Cav (including because having Cav boxed is a good thing if you are trying to win a sprint). So Cav ended up leaning on Gerrans. You can do this for a nano second but you have to bring your bike underneath you or it all goes wrong. Gerrans ability to drift left (to allow Cav to bring his bike underneath him) was shut down when Cocquard came over his left shoulder and forced Gerrans back right at which point the two of them went down. I'm not sure it matters whose "fault" it was. Gerrans seemed to get run over by a Cofidis rider as well, which I imagine only added to his general sense of happiness about the whole finish.

So you saying Cav puts on his blinker and everyone has to et out of his way ? ok

VVV73 wrote:

So you saying Cav puts on his blinker and everyone has to et out of his way ? ok

Nope. I am saying Cav puts his blinker on and then rides like he expects everyone to get out of his way. (All sprinters do this.) Gerrans either didn't want to or couldn't.

madindehead wrote:

I fear that Cav's collar bone is broken, and that his Tour is over.

Broken Clavicle ALL DAY, just where he was holding it and most commen injury for jockeys etc going str8 over horse (handlebars) and broken Scaphoids(wrist).
I know

thefatcyclist wrote:

Coquard caused the crash ultimately, Cavendish and Gerrans had untangled, then Coquard hit Gerrans, who's wheel crossed in front of Cav, then both down.
Cavendish was leaning into Gerrans to start with, but Gerrans was riding with his elbows right out, and it was so spread out peeling off riders were not able to clear.

But I blaim Cancellara in fact, because his jump of the nose, which was never going to succeed in a month of Monday's caused chaos in the sprint teams.

I hope both are ok tho'

Might as well blame Cofidis too then, for taking off then shitting themselves on hill and upsetting trains on right side (LTB/Giant) ?