Giro d'Italia - Tappa 19

Gkam84 wrote:

... IF a rider in any of my remaining races gets the boot for doping....expect him to lose ALL of his points for the tour

Hell, then let's make it retroactive, too! If he's positive for any (!) banned substance, let's take all (!) their points from the whole year's (!) game!

You're spilling over the morality of doping into the game. Let the points stand... It's just a game...

drheaton wrote:

Personally I preferred last year's rules re doping DQs but the rules were changed and its pretty clear in the rules how it works so I have no complaints other than that Wig_Billy gets to keep all Di Luca's ill gotten points in his purist team

I second that as I am his nearest challenger in the forums purist league. But that said. The rules are the rules and I think Dave has clarified it very well. I was going to get my 10,000 badge and hopefully another high roller badge and my yet to get tour top 10 finish badge (possibly) if this stage wasn't cancelled. My purist team was looking strong and I didn't have DiLuca.

That's sport though. Got to take the ups with the downs. Unless your riding the Giro that is- sorry couldn't resist.

letsgoup wrote:

drheaton wrote:

Personally I preferred last year's rules re doping DQs but the rules were changed and its pretty clear in the rules how it works so I have no complaints other than that Wig_Billy gets to keep all Di Luca's ill gotten points in his purist team

I second that as I am his nearest challenger in the forums purist league. But that said. The rules are the rules and I think Dave has clarified it very well. I was going to get my 10,000 badge and hopefully another high roller badge and my yet to get tour top 10 finish badge (possibly) if this stage wasn't cancelled. My purist team was looking strong and I didn't have DiLuca.

That's sport though. Got to take the ups with the downs. Unless your riding the Giro that is- sorry couldn't resist.

I just wanted to point out, the basis for me preferring to have Di Luca's points removed isn't that it helps my teams, I had Di Luca in my standard team for most of the race so it'd penalise me too.

No, the basis is that his results in this race have been dishonest and based on cheating and being awarded fantasy points for those performances is, to me at least, benefiting from doping. I agree that its harsh and that players picked Di Luca in good faith but so did his team and they won't get the benefit of his performance in this race so why should we?

I know the rules and I absolutely don't think they should be changed this year so my argument is kind of pointless, but I'd support going back to the rules used last year, removal of all points for the entire race, when dopers are caught.

The points should not be removed . Everyone picked the person in good faith. If a rider gets caught after a race you already won and got the prize you keep the prize.
The people who lose out are those with him in the purist team, much like if a rider crashes out. A person in a fantasy league should not be penalised for something out of their control. To punish someone like that is pointless and as much as I hate dopers its not exactly proving anything.
In fact its kinda like putting in a provision where you have to pick your team on who is least likely to get caught.
Punish the rider harshly, and look at the team closely but dont over react and get silly about it

STEVESPRO 79 wrote:

Personally think that when a stage is abandoned then everybodys transfers for the stage should be nullified...its ok saying that people have the chance to wait and make late transfers, but thats not fair...people live in different time zones and have work committments etc and so its creating an uneven playing field...it does not affect me, but I would hate to see someone lose a Bianchi because of a penalty transfer....

Just my opinion...

we might look at it for next year, but there's some issues that make it difficult to implement.

the playing field is always uneven, for the reasons you describe and many more. some people have more time to throw at this than others. that will always be an advantage, no matter what the rules are

Gkam84 wrote:

I thought the rule about being caught as a doper and being pulled from a race means that the rider loses all points for that race.....

it did last year, and it doesn't this year.

Dave Atkinson wrote:

here's how it is, folks:

1) the stage was cancelled. So everyone gets zero.

2) if you made transfers, they stand

3) if you incurred penalty points, they also stand.

4) Di Luca's points stand

why these rules?

well, no points because there's no racing. and everyone made, or didn't make, transfers based on the same information. some chose to wait, that was their choice. I didn't choose to wait, sadly

penalty points is more tricky. the issue here is that if the rule is 'no penalty points for a cancelled stage' then that's basically free reign to make as many transfers as you like the next time a stage gets called off. Which might be as early as tomorrow

Di Luca's points stand because people picked him in good faith. we changed this rule from last year based on player feedback on the big feedback thread.

Thank you for clarifying Dave, and I think that those are the right and consistent things to do.

By the way, I just want to say this is a brilliant game that just seems to get more and more enjoyable. A very big Thank you!

stevemarks wrote:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

here's how it is, folks:

1) the stage was cancelled. So everyone gets zero.

2) if you made transfers, they stand

3) if you incurred penalty points, they also stand.

4) Di Luca's points stand

why these rules?

well, no points because there's no racing. and everyone made, or didn't make, transfers based on the same information. some chose to wait, that was their choice. I didn't choose to wait, sadly

penalty points is more tricky. the issue here is that if the rule is 'no penalty points for a cancelled stage' then that's basically free reign to make as many transfers as you like the next time a stage gets called off. Which might be as early as tomorrow

Di Luca's points stand because people picked him in good faith. we changed this rule from last year based on player feedback on the big feedback thread.

Thank you for clarifying Dave, and I think that those are the right and consistent things to do.

By the way, I just want to say this is a brilliant game that just seems to get more and more enjoyable. A very big Thank you!

+1

backflipbedlem wrote:

Will all Di Lucas points be taken away from our scores??
will this effect badges? ie full houses etc??

He was part of the TTT that came 5th do we lose those points too?

This could get complicated!