Vuelta - Stage 10

Gkam84 wrote:

Looks like only 121 riders finished....so far.

Could be a mass cut today

Just as you say that its been updated, 188 finishers now which is correct

Velasco last man

Gkam84 wrote:

ONE stage winner today, but its easy to see that the adjustment in riders values has had one simple effect. Everyone is picking the same team. Check out the scores when the stage finished updating, you'll see what I mean

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I know what you mean, ive seen the scores and the fact that I scored about 40 points less than the stage winner yet came around 500th on the stage is showing how similar the teams are, and picking a good solid team sees you loose ground, and if you get a risk wrong (like with de clerq for me, it backfires)

Gkam84 wrote:

The high prices forced people to make choices of which riders to pick though. With the low values, it means you can almost pick at will and everyone can fit in.

I'm not arguing against the fact that it means that you can pick who you want and have a very strong team, I'm just saying that's a different issue from everyone picking the same riders.

Lowering prices clearly leads to higher scores, nobody will argue against that. It also clearly means players have greater choice in their team selection and can pick more good riders.

That though doesn't necessarily lead to everyone picking the same team. What leads to that is the game itself, the fact that some riders are better than others, that some have a much higher chance of scoring and scoring highly. Because the aim of the game is to pick these riders people will pick them whatever the budget restrictions.

Gkam84 wrote:

I think the experiment with value's hasn't worked.

Time to put them back to TdF way. Else everyone is going to have the same teams over and over again

I feel like TdF was the exception - this is what its been like with most tours, being able to pick most of the riders you want (resulting in a lot of similar teams). I thought the TdF was better in terms of the values of the top riders, but there weren't enough cheap DS to balance it out. I'd rather everyone had 2 from Valverde/Nibali/Rodriguez, than 2 from Bono/Mederel/Fischer!!
Dave's idea to just amend the budget per race depending on the values of the registered riders seems like a pretty good solution.

chrisdstripes wrote:

Gkam84 wrote:

I think the experiment with value's hasn't worked.

Time to put them back to TdF way. Else everyone is going to have the same teams over and over again

I feel like TdF was the exception - this is what its been like with most tours, being able to pick most of the riders you want (resulting in a lot of similar teams). I thought the TdF was better in terms of the values of the top riders, but there weren't enough cheap DS to balance it out. I'd rather everyone had 2 from Valverde/Nibali/Rodriguez, than 2 from Bono/Mederel/Fischer!!
Dave's idea to just amend the budget per race depending on the values of the registered riders seems like a pretty good solution.

The Giro seemed spot on, didn't it?

chrisdstripes is right, the problem with the values in the Tour wasn't the top end, but the bottom end - everyone was stuck with the same low-value guys.

And in any case, I've been doing a bang up job of picking a 'non-optimal' squad of riders in this competition...

Gkam84 wrote:

ONE stage winner today, but its easy to see that the adjustment in riders values has had one simple effect. Everyone is picking the same team. Check out the scores when the stage finished updating, you'll see what I mean

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Post hoc ergo propter hoc

”after this, therefore because of this"

Whatever happens with pricing, teams always end up the same because today, after three consecutive days in the mountains, it was clear who the strongest riders were.

The best riders, Nibali, Valverde, Rodriguez were clearly good picks. I choose to go for two of those three and spread my credits around the secondary options like Rocha, Pozzovivo, Moreno and Horner as well riders like Basso and Konig.

Despite the depth of the field, the strongest team is still largely evident to most players. That's why everyone is picking the same riders.

Everyone said that the restricted budgets of the Tour caused everyone to pick the same riders, now the tables are reversed and we still have the same problems. Its not the values that cause the problems, its just the nature of cycling and the game.

Gkam84 wrote:

ONE stage winner today, but its easy to see that the adjustment in riders values has had one simple effect. Everyone is picking the same team. Check out the scores when the stage finished updating, you'll see what I mean

fifteen people scored equal first on one stage of the tour de france. your point?

Ghedebrav wrote:

Thoughts on what Wednesday could do to GC? I'd expect Nibali to be in red come Thursday and Majka to put some serious time into his rivals (probably not enough to crack top 5, mind - but this'll be his big opportunity).

I think Horner will do well (end up 3rd on GC maybe), Nibali and Valverde 1-2 on GC. Basso to move up to 4th.
The fact that it isnt completely flat will make it easier for the GC guys, so I think Roche will still comfortably be top 10 on GC, probably top 7 as I can't see Majka or Pinot taking 2 minutes out of him.
Kangert could end up being top 10 after the ITT.

For the stage itself the top 10 will be made up for Martin, Fabian, Kangert, Pinotti alongside Valverde Nibali, Basso in my opinion, but what order I couldn't tell you

cherrypicked wrote:

Be interesting to see if someone has a team that beats the winning team (group of 7) from stage 8.

1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 12, 20 & zubeldia

that's my team

livestrongnick wrote:

cherrypicked wrote:

Be interesting to see if someone has a team that beats the winning team (group of 7) from stage 8.

1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 12, 20 & zubeldia

that's my team

Oh. There could be more than 7 then!
Maybe someone has beat it though...then again we might be off to the mint for a 22 sided coin.