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Drivetrain Dilemma

I've got a Shimano 105 R7000 Groupset (except for the Ultegra shifters & 11-40 cassette) on my bike.
The bike has done 7400 miles so far.
I'm not really sure if certain components are now worn out or they're good for another few thousand miles.

Clicking:
A few days ago I replaced the Bottom Bracket (BBR60) because the old one was clicking (it had been for a while, but I ignored it).
But the new one also clicks (when ascending). I presume it's the BB.
I've taken the new one out twice and reinstall it, just to make sure it's tight enough etc.
I also took the 2x chainrings apart and cleaned them. Plus re-greased my pedal axles.
But I still can't get rid of the clicking sound. The chain is fairly new too.

What I'm not sure about and if they're are connected to the problem, or are separate problems on their own.

My 11-40 cassette isn't "rock solid" on the freehub, there's 1 to 2 mm of play (at 90 deg to the axle). I'm not sure if the free hub is worn out.
The cassette has been removed/cleaned/reassembled twice to fix the issue, but even though it's tight enough, it wobbles.
I don't remember having any wobble problems when I bought the cassette, or with the original 11-34.
The splines on the freehub don't look damaged, just the look of general use with the bite marks from the gears.

My lower jockey wheel seems to have lots of play (looking from the top down - side to side movement, and looking from the side view - about 1 mm of radial movement.

Lastly, I'd like to ask if my 52t chainring needs replacing, or is good for another few thousand miles?
I can't figure how to add an image to this thread, so here is a link to a photo:
https://i.imgur.com/PE0S7Sb.jpeg

Thanks for any advice, and sorry for the long rambling thread.

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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Jbh3 | 3 years ago
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I had a creaking/clicking sound when climbing. It turned out to be the bladed spokes on the rear wheel where they cross. Some dry lube at each crossover of spokes sorted it out. 

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0-0 replied to Jbh3 | 3 years ago
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Jbh3 wrote:

I had a creaking/clicking sound when climbing. It turned out to be the bladed spokes on the rear wheel where they cross. Some dry lube at each crossover of spokes sorted it out. 

Thank you, I'll give that a whirl too.

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wtjs | 3 years ago
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This may not be the problem because these noises are specific BUT: I had a persistent click when pushing hard on the right pedal. I eliminated everything I thought could be related, but Paul Hewitt suggested that noises can come from the band-on front mech. This seemed highly improbable, but I took it off, put some white grease (lithium?) on the band, reassembled and the problem was permanently gone. It's a titanium Merlin and Ultegra 9 speed mech.

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0-0 replied to wtjs | 3 years ago
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wtjs wrote:

This may not be the problem because these noises are specific BUT: I had a persistent click when pushing hard on the right pedal. I eliminated everything I thought could be related, but Paul Hewitt suggested that noises can come from the band-on front mech. This seemed highly improbable, but I took it off, put some white grease (lithium?) on the band, reassembled and the problem was permanently gone. It's a titanium Merlin and Ultegra 9 speed mech.

Thank you for the suggestion.
Mine is a braze-on type, but I'll check it out.

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0-0 | 3 years ago
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Thank you everyone for your help and advice, and sorry for the delay in replying.

I think I've found the problem of the clicking.
I greased the Thru Axle/the axle plastic caps which locate into the frame/the wheel location recesses on the frame. For the first hour of riding I didn't hear any clicking.
After that hour I could hear faint clicking and the frequency of the clicking was also reduced, i.e. not every revolution.
Another 30 mins after that, the clicking went away.

I will grease all the other areas you've mentioned when I get chance again.

I visited a bike shop to ask about the wobbly cassette. They didn't really have time to look at it, but suggested it might need a new freehub and/or new wheel bearings.

Thanks again.

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Dnnnnnn replied to 0-0 | 3 years ago
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0-0 wrote:

I think I've found the problem of the clicking

Famous last words!

(but I hope not in this case...)

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0-0 replied to Dnnnnnn | 3 years ago
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Duncann wrote:

0-0 wrote:

I think I've found the problem of the clicking

Famous last words!

(but I hope not in this case...)

You're right, I spoke too soon. The clicking is back.
I've can rule out the handlebars, headset, seat post and saddle. They've all been clean and regreased.
I'll redo the chainring bolts yet again.

I've ordered a new freehub to maybe cure the wobbly cassette. If that doesn't fix the wobble, I'll try some new bearings on the wheel.

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Dnnnnnn replied to 0-0 | 3 years ago
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I take no pleasure in my prescience.

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Drinfinity replied to 0-0 | 3 years ago
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Similar issue for me on CX bike was the bearings in the free hub were shot, and creaked under load. I replaced the two bearings in the free hub and it was smooth and silky again.

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0-0 replied to Drinfinity | 3 years ago
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Drinfinity wrote:

Similar issue for me on CX bike was the bearings in the free hub were shot, and creaked under load. I replaced the two bearings in the free hub and it was smooth and silky again.

On your bike are they the 69022RS Bearings (15mm x 28mm x 7mm)?
If so, what make did you buy? I've bought some made by Enduro (for the wheels). The site I bought them from has a comments section, and they got good reviews.

Do you use "proper" tools to replace the bearings, or do you just use various sockets from a socket set?

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TheBillder | 3 years ago
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I've also had odd noises from the freehub due to pawls being broken or seized. If you can borrow a different wheel from a bike that doesn't have unwanted noises, you my be able to eliminate that.

My money's still on the wobbly cassette though.

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MrMoo | 3 years ago
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Have you tried taking the cassette off and spraying the connecting bolts of any cog groups (ie not the single cog pieces) with some wd40? Spray both sides of the bolt and leave it for a minute to penetrate. Then reassemble the cassette. 

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Podc | 3 years ago
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If it clicks when climbing then it might be worth checking the headset is correctly tensioned, and that the stem bolts and saddle clamp bolts are tight.

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ktache replied to Podc | 3 years ago
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My tip is to grease (or weird carbon thing if you are so inclined) the seatpost.  Was often the last of my attempts to remove weird clicks, but it is now one of the first things I do.

And it stops it from seizing in there.

And there is often meant to be float on your lower jockey wheel.  Only the ones with sealed bearings don't.

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hawkinspeter replied to ktache | 3 years ago
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ktache wrote:

My tip is to grease (or weird carbon thing if you are so inclined) the seatpost.  Was often the last of my attempts to remove weird clicks, but it is now one of the first things I do.

And it stops it from seizing in there.

And there is often meant to be float on your lower jockey wheel.  Only the ones with sealed bearings don't.

I've heard that some carbon epoxies can react with grease so best to not use grease on a carbon seatpost (could cause it to swell which won't be great for any future adjustments). If you've got carbon, use some carbon assembly paste instead (it's not expensive and lasts for ages as you only need a small amount).

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0-0 | 3 years ago
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Thank you very much everyone. I'll recheck all your suggestions.
😀

** EDIT 21/05/21 **
I tried all the suggestions, except for the derailleur hanger (but wouldn't that cause clicking all the time?).
It still clicks.
My freehub body was seized onto the axle, but fixing that also didn't help (wobble or clicking).

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matthewn5 replied to 0-0 | 3 years ago
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Tighten both quick release skewers. Also, can be pedals, if they're worn the bearings can precess, which makes a sound.

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hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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Could be a missing spacer with the cassette - they shouldn't wobble at all. It's worth checking if it could be the seatpost, so just loosen it, move it a bit and put it back where it was and tighten up again though if it's carbon then it's worth removing it completely and putting a bit of carbon assembly paste on it (which can help prevent it seizing).

I've solved a clicking bottom bracket previously by using a bit of loctite on it to "stick" it in place, but that was a pressfit so I'm not sure if the same applies to yours. Double check that the chainring bolts are all tight too as that can cause clicking if you've got a slightly loose one.

Some movement is fine with jockey wheels, but make sure the plates are properly fastened as they shouldn't have any movement.

Chainring looks fine to me and they should last for ages as long as you replace chains regularly.

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David9694 replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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Great minds.

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Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I had a clicking on uphill - turned out the cassette was slightly loose.
Others have found it was the seat post.
Often said that the noise is transmitted around the bike so finding the source is tricky.

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David9694 | 3 years ago
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You have to reply (to yourself) to attach an image.

I'd be a no to replacing the chainring you pictured.  But keep an eye on your chain wear.
You may not have the right spacer behind your rear cassette - it should lock down solid with no chatter, as you say. Jockey wheels wiggle a bit - they're only plastic on a metal bushing or bolt, not much to go wrong. 
drive train clicks under load are one of the great cycling mysteries - the only b/b variable is the l/h crank - is that fully on, with the plastic bolt done up and the fixing two bolts alternately torqued up? The problem is probably arising from some other part of the drive train, so for example Is the derailleur hanger true? 

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ktache replied to David9694 | 3 years ago
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Chainrings only really needs to be thought about when pointy, and never really desperately need it until they resemble sharks fins.

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