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yeah, we've really missed you GKAM.
No, road.cc is not dead or dying - in fact it's bigger now than it's ever been.
A lot bigger actually - we're currently expanding or editorial and video teams.
Websites, the internet, social media and the way we access them and interact them are constantly changing – I love the forum so am keen to keep it as vibrant as possible, but commenting has moved on the site more towards stories and the live blog in particular, and off site on FB and Twitter - where people have the added benefit of being able to comment without the bother of RTFA.
One final thing GKAM… that thing you always seem to be going on about, reviews and reviewers being paid by the companies to write them – change the record please. It's a lazy assertion and it's fairly obviously not true and anyone who thought about it for for more than a moment or two would realise that. I've been a bike journo for coming up to 24 years in all that time I can count on the fingers of one finger the number of writers of all those I've met and worked with from across the world I thought was bent and he wrote for an overseas outlet long defunct. Every tech journo I've known - colleagues and rivals – always sets out to do an honest job with their reviews. Fair enough the quality of some reviews is hampered by a lack of talent or the constraints of the format – mag reviews have to condense a lot of information in to a limited space so if you're then repurposing them to the web they can looks a bit thin, but in my experience none of their faults were down to a lack of honesty by the reviewer. More practically, if a company is paying you to write about something then you have to label that as sponsored content – them's the rules. Websites tend to be pretty hot at sticking to that – although you can certainly find places on the web that stretch the rules on declaring sponsorship, even then it's often more less about deceiving the audience and more about not being penalised by an algorithm.
@ GKAM84 I'm more a reader than a poster,and there must be a few more like me.It's a shame, as there's some very knowledgeable folk on here.I am going to make an effort to post more,as this placehas helped me loads over the years.The reviews are very good and honest,unlike some of the magazines and comic.
Lets hope a few more start to write
The reality is that forums have been dying off for a while, it isn't just this one.
I used to have an entire folder in my bookmarks list that was just the different forums I contributed to. These days, just one ... for a mobile game I don't seem to be able to stop playing ... but even then I only occasionally visit and rarely contribute.
The stuff that forums used to do seems to have been overtaken by Facebook and Twitter primarily, because all of your interests can be catered for with one or two sites/logins, rather than 30 different logins on 30 different sites, making the whole experience a lot more efficient.
The newer layout somehow reduced the immediacy of posting, if that makes any sense? I can't quantify exactly how it works, a bit like you just prefer one thing over another sometimes? The think they way threads are laid out now made a difference.
Road.cc don't help themselves as we all know they recycle their own articles relentlessly and if you've commented on it the first time round, how much more can you add to it the second time other than taking the piss about it being posted (AGAIN)?
I think a forum can also be 'too nice'. Echo chambers may seem great but it's boring to just hear the same viewpoints, even if you hold that view point. Surely everyone likes a bit of argument? Not saying the place needs some 'kill all cyclists' types to post but I do think some of you think cyclists are the saints of the road, when clearly sometimes they are also the same people driving Audis like twats and treat the road as theirs no matter what they are using.
I really hope that it thrives, as it has been useful and interesting. I'm currently on a week's holiday and riding some routes that were suggested in the forum. I've got mechanical questions which I'll post after I'm home. I'll surely have other things to say and ask and I hope the community is around for those.
Perhaps like many, this site is one I read almost daily. The reviews are the best I've found, the news is there, and the comments are usually thoughtful. If the forum is a bit quiet, perhaps that's a reflection of the news team getting more of the day's issues into the blog or main stories.
This is what the forum used to be like, it was thriving and useful. People asking and getting advice, looking at it now, it's just a shell of it's former self, the "news" articles are generally just clickbait or rehashed things from many a year gone by.
The reviews? Pffft, most look like the general things that companies pay you to "write", not much off script and when was the last time you read a real review on here or something that was bad?
The whole site seems to be stagnant, just a grind to make money from adverts and companies paying for reviews. It used to be a real cycling place for people, but since it's turned from more of a hobby site making a couple of people a living into a full commercial site, it's lost everything, including most of it's user base it seems.
Just try Cycling Weakly or Bike Radar if you want pish reviews. They're just above the level of "I bought this for my grandson, hasn't been delivered yet but he's sure to love it, 5*" on Amazon. At least here I get the impression that someone has used something for a while and has some clue. We know how the commercials work and read carefully, but these are the best we have.
If they are by any chance some routes in South Wales around the Tintern/Wye Valley area I emailed out a while ago I would love to know if you enjoyed them, I often wonder if either of the people I sent them to tried them.
Whoever that was should do the right thing! Questions and answers could keep this forum going, and it will be people like you who give their time we should all thank. So on behalf of whoever got to ride in the Wye Valley (long time since I've been there but so beautiful) I say thanks Welsh Boy.
Mine were the Routes North of Otley (N Yorkshire). I felt a bit guilty for my lack of planning but the forum rescued me. Also a shame that I couldn't ride them all - almost every road was well worth doing.
perhaps we've reached the point where there's nothing new to say.
not even this.
perhaps we've reached the point where there's nothing new to say
This is true. I know I'm always saying the same things, and we're not making much progress over the safety problems on the roads. However, unless we club together over these repeated problems, the police can divide and rule with their collection of dodges, he didn't see you, he didn't mean to do it, prosecuting the driver won't bring your brother/ son/ father back, it was only a momentary loss of concentration etc. This really is a war, and you have to keep fighting on, publicising victories (points on the licence) and defeats (new police dodges)
I was only thinking myself a few weeks ago that the forum had died, it seems like a few questions, a few answers and no banter. Most of the articles are also reruns of old pieces or new articles about how a motorist nearly killed someone on a bike. Sad demise for what was once a good site.
I could never work out how to navigate it properly, it's not particularly intuitive. I suppose the owners would be more happy us posting on news articles anyway, there's no money from forums
The layout does suck, has for a long time. Even the news stories aren't getting anywhere near the number of comments that used to be seen. Apart from the odd thing that causes a stir and brings the trolls out.
I don't use other cycling sites because their quality of reporting was lackluster at best. Cycling Weakly is a shambles, Cycling News does ok. Road.cc is heading down the weakly way. It's sad, as some of the reporters here are good at what they do.
I can't speak for others but a few reasons I know why I don't post as much on the site any more:
1. There is no option to "stay logged in" so if I see something I tend to ask myself if my contribution is worth clicking an extra few times- normally it isn't and unlike many folk I don't feel the need to add my tuppence worth every time especially if someone has already made the point I would have.
2. So much of the content seems focussed on scaring folk off rather than onto bikes. We know safe infrastructure and better driving standards are important but the constant deluge of stuff ranging from Miss of the Day to road rage stories to how other countries are doing it better means I am more likely to click straight through to Fantasy Cycling these days. It is hard enough for my wife to relax when she knows I am out on the bike- one glace at the frontpage of the site and I could come home from work some day to find my bikes in the back of a bin lorry.
3. So many of the comments are predictable- one read of a headline and you know what the accompanying thread will include, especially if helmets, close passes or road rage incidents are involved- I have long ago reached fatigue when reading the same arguments, the same "actually, no one pays road tax" comments, the same pro and anti helmet anecdotes...
4. By the time some of the stories are published, I have already seen them on Twitter and commented over there.
Don't get me wrong ,there is still useful stuff here, but 2020 is full of doom and gloom enough without every second article or forum post being about some disaster or almost disaster and feeding into that.
I like this site but I agree with this comment. Road cycling can be annoying and scary, many drivers are heartless twats, but I know that already. I don't want to spend my free time vicariously enduring other people's pain.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter too.
With apologies to cyclingtips;
Road.cc
The Misery of Cycling.
Everything bad about cycling in one convenient place.
I think there is definitely something in this... and its not just this site. Generally speaking, comments sections have all become the same... polarised opinions, a bit of abuse and not really any fresh perspectives, or concerted attempts to educate / influence... comments are seemingly now just about playing / pandering to your chosen audience / tribe.
It feels like there is less value to be had from either reading or writing comments now.