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I've sung the praises of the value of my Mason x Hunt 650B Adventure Dynamo Disc wheelset, which has been on my bike since I built it in early 2020, over 16000 miles ago, and needed only minor truing, but at the beginning of my LEJoG I noticed cracks around just about every other rear spoke hole. Fortunately they held up for the whole trip, but I obviously need to do something about it before it fails on a ride. I can either rebuild with a new rim on the same hub, or just replace with a new wheel that has a Shimano 11-speed compatible driver.

The current rim is 28 hole, 25 mm internal, 28 mm external. Disc brake only, tubeless compatible. Possibly looking for something with eyelets this time. I'd like to get something that will last at least double that 16000 miles. I run 48 mm tyres.

A little deeper would be okay, not sure about carbon.

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andystow | 2 weeks ago
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I laced up my first wheel ever, new rim, spokes, and nipples onto my old SON dynamo hub. I still need to take it to the bike co-op to tension and true it. The rim matches the new hand built rear wheel, which is ready to go. The frame I used for LEJoG is out getting stripped and powder coated.

Hopefully posting the results in the next couple of weeks on Pictures of your Bike.

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hawkinspeter replied to andystow | 2 weeks ago
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andystow wrote:

I laced up my first wheel ever, new rim, spokes, and nipples onto my old SON dynamo hub. I still need to take it to the bike co-op to tension and true it. The rim matches the new hand built rear wheel, which is ready to go. The frame I used for LEJoG is out getting stripped and powder coated.

Hopefully posting the results in the next couple of weeks on Pictures of your Bike.

Nice.

I think you should give tensioning and trueing a go. Just take it relatively slow and try to tension each spoke roughly the same. It's quite possible to true up a wheel by putting it onto the bike and eyeballing it so that the rim is halfway between the forks. It'll be a learning exercise, prepare you for if you ever need to replace a spoke and then you can take it to the bike co-op to check how well you've done. As long as you don't go too tight, it should save them some time.

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andystow replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

Nice.

I think you should give tensioning and trueing a go. Just take it relatively slow and try to tension each spoke roughly the same. It's quite possible to true up a wheel by putting it onto the bike and eyeballing it so that the rim is halfway between the forks. It'll be a learning exercise, prepare you for if you ever need to replace a spoke and then you can take it to the bike co-op to check how well you've done. As long as you don't go too tight, it should save them some time.

Oh, doing it myself is the plan. I've replaced spokes and trued wheels before. The co-op is a volunteer workspace (that I sometimes volunteer at) where you're supposed to do your own wrenching, with the volunteers just being advisors.

https://bikepeoria.org/coop/

They/we have a couple of good quality truing stands, as well as some other tools I'll need like a headset bearing press, and bottom bracket facing tool.

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hawkinspeter replied to andystow | 2 weeks ago
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andystow wrote:

Oh, doing it myself is the plan. I've replaced spokes and trued wheels before. The co-op is a volunteer workspace (that I sometimes volunteer at) where you're supposed to do your own wrenching, with the volunteers just being advisors.

https://bikepeoria.org/coop/

They/we have a couple of good quality truing stands, as well as some other tools I'll need like a headset bearing press, and bottom bracket facing tool.

Excellent.

I built my rear wheel a while ago with a 60mm Prime rim and some aero spokes which weren't as difficult to use as I'd thought. When it came to truing it though, I ended up putting the tyre on, mounted the wheel on the bike and just eyeballed the tyre with the down-tube as my old truing stand probably won't take thru-axles. So far, it's been very solid and I haven't felt the need to do any more adjustment.

I did buy a cheap truing guage but haven't got around to trying it out yet.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006437109220.html

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andystow replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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Before my trip I trued the wheel with the zip tie trick. A truing stand makes it a little easier.

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Rendel Harris replied to andystow | 2 weeks ago
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andystow wrote:

Before my trip I trued the wheel with the zip tie trick. A truing stand makes it a little easier.

Never come across the zip tie trick before, thanks to you have looked it up and docketed it, cheers. Have a stand at home but that's a great one to know for an emergency.

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andystow | 1 month ago
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I've placed an order with Wheelbuilder. I took their recommendation, and also splurged a little but no big deal. The total was about $625 (£465) including shipping for a handbuilt in California rear wheel.

Wheel Size: 27.5" / 650B
Rear Rim Model: DT GR 531 Disc
Rear Spoke Count: 32H
Rear Axle Type: 142 x 12mm TA
Rear Disc Type: Centerlock Disc
Rear Hub: DT Swiss 350 Classic Center Lock Disc Brake Rear Hub
Rear Hub Color: Black
Drivetrain Type: Shimano/SRAM 11 Road
Points of Engagement: 36T Ratchet
Rear Hub Bearings: Steel
Spoke Type: Double Butted
Spoke Color: Black
Nipple Type: Black Brass
 

I can buy the same rim in 28 hole for under $100 (£75) if I decide I want to lace one to my front SON hub and have the wheels match.

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OnYerBike | 1 month ago
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My two cents:

Definitely worth reaching out to Hunt and seeing what they say - they might offer you a discount on a new wheel, but no harm done if not.

I don't think it's likely to be worth rebuilding the wheel - the hubs aren't anything special, and by the time you've costed for labour and new spokes (likely necessary if the ERD isn't the same) unlikely to be financial viable compared to just buying something new. 

My suggestion would be to find a reputable wheel builder and have a chat. Unfortunately whilst I could name several in the UK, I don't know any in the USA but I'm sure if you search more US-oriented forums you'll be able to find some recommendations. Whilst it might be possible to ship from the UK, I agree it's unlikely to be sensible for you. If long term reliability is key, I think handbuilt makes more sense than anything off-the-shelf. And handbuilt wheels tend to use generic, widely stocked components, so when something does eventually break, normally much easier to get fixed. 

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andystow replied to OnYerBike | 1 month ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

My two cents:

Definitely worth reaching out to Hunt and seeing what they say - they might offer you a discount on a new wheel, but no harm done if not.

I don't think it's likely to be worth rebuilding the wheel - the hubs aren't anything special, and by the time you've costed for labour and new spokes (likely necessary if the ERD isn't the same) unlikely to be financial viable compared to just buying something new. 

My suggestion would be to find a reputable wheel builder and have a chat. Unfortunately whilst I could name several in the UK, I don't know any in the USA but I'm sure if you search more US-oriented forums you'll be able to find some recommendations. Whilst it might be possible to ship from the UK, I agree it's unlikely to be sensible for you. If long term reliability is key, I think handbuilt makes more sense than anything off-the-shelf. And handbuilt wheels tend to use generic, widely stocked components, so when something does eventually break, normally much easier to get fixed. 

Thanks. I've contacted wheelbuilder.com . Their website has an overwhelming number of choices, but looks to be good value. They're in California, which is as far as you can get from me in the 48 states, but shipping is less than $20 for an example wheel I put in my cart. I'll see what they suggest. Fortunately I'm not in a hurry. I'm considering having the frame re-repainted as I picked up a massive chip shipping my bike over (and it's not a great paint job anyhow.)

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andystow | 1 month ago
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Here's something off the shelf at a very reasonable cost from a company I've heard of. Anything wrong with Mavic? It's fewer spokes than the failed Hunt wheel, though.

https://www.mavic.com/en-us/p/allroad-650b-disc-rr1325?variant=1918

I don't mind paying for handbuilt, but probably won't go with a UK supplier as I'm in the middle of the US. I've just never bought wheels before (other than the Hunts) and don't know which "brand I've heard of" is actually quality.

  • DT Swiss
  • Mavic
  • Velocity
  • HED
  • Crank Brothers
  • Shimano
  • Ritchey
  • Zipp
  • ENVE
  • Fulcrum
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Rendel Harris replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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Good reliable wheels in my experience and the three year warranty shows a good degree of confidence - I should think for someone with your sort of mileage and terrain if you get three years out of a $350 wheelset you'd feel you'd done OK?

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David9694 replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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I wonder how many of those makes are more race oriented / supply 650B? 

Ryde (the old Rigida) rims might be another one to consider. You might benefit from a SON dynohub wheel? Also Pacenti rims. 

This guy's site (he does ship to the US) is worth poking around -

E.g. https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/copy-of-ryde-andra-321-disc-brake-...

Youll probably want some robust spokes and a 32/32h set-up. Cycle Clinic uses Sapim. I'm guessing you overloaded your Hunts. (I'd be 32/36h in 700c.)

If you have the time, DIY is another good route. Pair with a spoke calculator. 

https://www.troubleshooters.com/bicycles/wheelbuilding/index.htm

 

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andystow replied to David9694 | 1 month ago
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David9694 wrote:

Ryde (the old Rigida) rims might be another one to consider. You might benefit from a SON dynohub wheel?

The front is already a SON hub, hence why I'm looking for either a rear wheel, or buy rims and rebuild. The dyno hub is what made me buy the Hunt wheelset in the first place, as it seemed like a bargain.

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andystow replied to David9694 | 1 month ago
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David9694 wrote:

Youll probably want some robust spokes and a 32/32h set-up. Cycle Clinic uses Sapim. I'm guessing you overloaded your Hunts. (I'd be 32/36h in 700c.)

I'd definitely prefer at least 32, which is what my Jamis touring bike had. I bought it used, and then put over 18000 miles on it before selling it, and the wheels were still fine. I don't see how I could have overloaded the Hunt rear when my touring load is fairly light and mostly on the front, and I weigh a massive 160 lb / 11 st. 6 lb / 72 kg. Although I'm currently down seven pounds since the tour!

Hunt states they test their wheelsets for over 135 kg / 297 lb per pair on cobbles, "equivalent to riding Paris Roubaix over 5 times with no tarmac sections, only cobbles."

https://us.huntbikewheels.com/blogs/news/89909574-product-lab-testing-th...

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David9694 replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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3 year guarantee offered - let us know what Hunt come back with. 

Every other spoke hole cracking you say - NDS or DS? The other thing I'm thinking, not that I'm any sort of expert, is too much spoke tension on the one side. 

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andystow replied to David9694 | 1 month ago
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3 year guarantee offered - let us know what Hunt come back with. 

Every other spoke hole cracking you say - NDS or DS? The other thing I'm thinking, not that I'm any sort of expert, is too much spoke tension on the one side. 

It's all (or the vast majority of) the drive side ones.

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David9694 replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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If you pluck an uncracked DS spoke, what's it feel like? 

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andystow replied to David9694 | 1 month ago
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David9694 wrote:

If you pluck an uncracked DS spoke, what's it feel like? 

Looking carefully now, there is maybe one uncracked drive side one. It sounds and feels about the same as the others. I just measured them all with my Unior tensiometer. The spokes are 2.0-1.6-2.0. Using the closest values on the table (1.65), the drive side all measure 80-120 kgf. The non drive side measure 55-75 kgf.

Checking a few random ones on the front, they're pretty close to the rear drive side tensions.

I see no non drive side cracks on the rear. What I do see now is seven cracks on the front, all but one on left side nipples. So I guess I'm rebuilding that front for sure.

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SimoninSpalding replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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I would say definitely don't go down on spoke count from what you had previously.

I would also recommend having a look at Cycleclinic website. Malcolm is incredibly open and informative on pros/ cons of different options when building wheels and which brands of rims/ hubs/ spokes he is willing to use in his builds. Even if shipping from UK makes it not cost effective, it could give you a shopping list to go to a more local builder and get something made to your spec.

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anotherflat replied to andystow | 2 weeks ago
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From that list only ever had Mavics
2 pairs Crossrides (disc only and a treasured early disc/rim brake)
Broken a rear spoke and a rear axle, both replaced and retensioned.

2 pairs Aksiums, worn out a couple of rims, and 1 pair tubeless ksyriums, only issue is tubeless, 2 rear tyres with punctures too big to seal in relatively few miles and nigh on impossible to get a tube in with the tubeless tyre without puncturing the tube.

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andystow | 1 month ago
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Here's a photo of one of the cracks, which I've sent to Hunt. Still awaiting a response.

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Simon E replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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Yikes! I wouldn't buy another similar wheel from them, even if it was half price or whatever.

Your bike deserves something built properly with a stronger rim with eyelets and brass spokes. Look at how a reputable UK builder like Malcolm at Cycle Clinic specs a dynamo wheelset here (I think it's a Kinlin TL-23) for a very similar price.

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Stretch45 | 1 month ago
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Hi not many ever mention jra or just riding along wheels hand built cheap and customisable, yiu cam have aluminium or carbon aswell worth a look ?

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Nagai74 | 1 month ago
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I'd highly recommend Scribe, especially if you love a nice, positive sounding freewheel! Brilliant service, great wheels. I'm running alloys on the winter bike, and Carbons on the good bike.

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andystow | 1 month ago
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Simon E replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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$200?

How about something stock like a DT Swiss?

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/rims-tape/28-dt-swiss-g-540-db-275-584-grave...

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matthewn5 | 1 month ago
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David at DCR wheels can probably build you a nice replacement, if Hunt don't stump up.

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Richbeck replied to matthewn5 | 1 month ago
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DCR can build you a better replacement!

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mark1a replied to Richbeck | 1 month ago
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Richbeck wrote:

DCR can build you a better replacement!

Better than 16000 miles for £250?

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andystow | 1 month ago
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Also, is it worth contacting Hunt? I'm 18 months past their three year warranty period.

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