Dales villagers warned to plan for Tour de France

It's going to be massive with loads of disruption but great all the same. It's just the same in France every year, they embrace it and enjoy it for what it is, one of the greatest shows on earth. For one weekend I'll love the fact that life where I live is turned upside down by a simple bike race, brilliant.

Excellent reply Iain

[applause]

As the secretary of Skipton CC, I feel duty bound to respond to the comments from Ady Green (Conservative), Mr Quinn as their comments equally affect the treatment of cyclists/horse riders/tractor drivers/trailer owners and tourers in caravans.

To fuel the fire that rages in the debate between cyclists and motorists is surely an irresponsible position for elected members of Parliament and town council. The Tour de France is coming to Yorkshire, with it a responsibility to ensure it travels across and from our shores in safety, of course that means there is work to be done and a certain inconvenience over the coming months to facilitate this.

However the point why Yorkshire bid for the TdF in the first place is being missed, the TdF brings a lifetime legacy to the local economy, all accommodation over the tour weekend is already full to capacity in the Craven area, pop up campsites in farmers fields are also appearing, many businesses will prosper because of it, and in years to come the tourist trade that so many of the currently inconvenienced villages depend upon for survival will follow. These tourists will come to ride the route, take in the Dales and spend their hard earned cash.

There is a short term inconvenience in the area for long term benefit, surely this could lead to a wider debate on education to encourage all road users to safely co exist.

At Skipton CC we promote safe cycling and bike handling for all, I have never met an unfriendly cyclist, visit any Dales cafe on a Saturday or Sunday and talk to one, you will instantly be involved in a friendly conversation!

As for cycling through Embsay, of which I am a resident and competent cyclist, travelling at 30-40 mph would be I think you may find Mr Quinn beyond the capability of the professional peloton, with the natural chicanes of 90 degree turns, very short straights, pointless cobbled rumble strips and double parked vehicles prevent this.

If the raging debate continues by pointing fingers rather than seeking solution for all to use the roads safely, then it can only lead to more pointless deaths on our highways. So I ask you councillor, MP, citizen, the next time you want to pass a cyclist so badly, to make that appointment, social engagement, or even that TV program you want to watch, that causes you to put into harm, the life of another human being, think on, be patient, pass safely.

I say this because if you do it with rage, and one day you probably will, you may knock that cyclist from their bike, and as you leave your car to run back to the body, whose life ebbs from them, you feel already that sense of pointless regret, replaced then by fear, as legal proceedings will certainly follow, and as you reach that cyclist and look down to that face, it may be one you recognise, a son, a daughter, brother, parent, friend or neighbour, and that you will take with you forever. So councillor, MP, citizen, think on, and if you cannot think on...............

jog on.

For the last couple of months i've been suffering the withering glares of the workmen fixing all the potholes on the Cragg Vale climb. Good work chaps!
I think there will be an inevitable backlash against the TDF with a lot of tripe being thrown around; people moaning about being trapped in their houses (even though winter throws 10x worse at them), emergency vehicles (unaffected of course) etc etc.
These people are undoubtedly the same people who resent the various parades and community events that make a minor disruption to their precious roads, they resent any activity that isn't driving.
For the record I've never met a courteous Tory. They're all Bawbags.

Is it possible that Ady Green has never met a courteous cyclist because he is a discourteous Conservative Councillor?

"..the spectators were less likely to have a “football crowd” mentality."

Don't let them see any footage of the Dutch Corner on Alpe
D'Huez then..

Once again Chief Inspector Lovell is the only voice of reason in Yorkshire.

I for one plan to ride up from Stockport with the Bakfiets, the tent and minime number 1, camping out wherever.

It is a big downside of the tour coming to the dales that cyclists seem to be getting the blame for everything from hotel prices to roadworks and I worry about a long term change in the relationship between road users from the fairly tolerant and courteous arrangement engendered by small communities and narrow lanes where everyone has to give way to everyone else at some time whether its livestock on the road, a car coming the other way, some agricultural kit lumbering to the next field or a bike rider.

What also makes me sad about the whinging that appears not only in reports like this but in the local press and even in face to face chats is the loss of the traditional dales resiliance and self reliance in a place where you can still be cut off for days in some places by the weather and its replacement by the moaning of a bunch of well off retired or 'downsizing' types who complain about not having a fully equiped general hospital and international airport in the small village they've moved into, being woken up by farm animals, the road not being cleared of snow at the exact momment they want to go out in their 4x4 and local cyclists having the audacity to still go out on their bikes like they always have when the newly arrived important people are making their royal progress to Tescos

The comments of some of the local politicans like the ones quoted here or John 'the tour is a poisoned chalice' Blackie could I fear do lasting damage to cycling in the dales when the legacy of the tour could have been so positive

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10668906.Tour_de_France_could_beco...

"Councillor David Staveley (Conservative) said that a group of cyclists was like a slow moving vehicle that would require an escort vehicle" and yet "Mr Quinn claimed groups of cyclists were passing through the village of Embsay at 30-40mph" - so which of them is right?

30 - 40 miles an hour - wish I could go that fast. Either Embsay is on a bloody big hill or there's some major exaggeration based on prejudice going on. Idiots.

I've never a politician I'd trust any more than I could 'em

Councillor Green can't pass a mobility vehicle without getting into a fight.
http://www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/10697478.Cowing_councillor_Ady_Green_...

Chapeau to Chief Inspector Lovell. There's a man that gets it.

"Ady Green (Conservative), said he had never met a courteous cyclist"

I extended courtesy to courteous drivers. Maybe Mr Green's comment is more a reflection of his own driving rather than the cyclist?

Nice to see that unfounded prejudice is alive and well in regional officials. Is this really acceptable in public office - to speak out against one group based purely on personal dislike.

Its a shame the route didnt include Richmond (My home town), couple of real bad hills between the swale.

Looking at the prices of B&B's en route it is a joke, that said Travelodge in York want £150 on the Saturday, think I will stay a few miles away and get a lift in and watch from Clifords tower.

Tory fuckwits.

Quote:

Mr Quinn claimed groups of cyclists were passing through the village of Embsay at 30-40mph

Does Mr Quinn have any opinion on cars passing through the village at 30-40mph?

Also an interesting assumption that these "missing" car mirrors are down to cyclists, rather than the far greater volume of much larger cars and lorries.

The attitude of those councillors is worrying on so many levels

Having not been to a TdF before, I'm after some tips:

We are staying in Richmond that week, and want to ride the route car-free early on the morning of the 5th, from Skipton up to Reeth - circa 85km/1000m. Then spectate at the climb out of Reeth. I'm sure 'beer' will be involved at some stage. Possibly inflatable comedy costumes.

Not withstanding Yorkshire County Council getting the traffic plan right for Reeth (i.e. close the roads to Richmond, put on shuttle buses from Richmond, promote cycling up the Swale to get there to watch) are there any downsides to this plan? Can one expect to rock onto the parcour at 9am, thrash northward for 4 or so hours, then spectate?

"Councillor Ady Green (Conservative)...asked why cyclists could not travel in single file."

Those who drive solo in 4+ seat cars may wish to do likewise. I believe it's called a motorbike.