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"I get irrationally angry about cyclists": Jeremy Kyle and GB News' primetime anti-cycling bingo ranting; "Not sure if we were cycling or swimming": Riding in the rain; Quintana denies using tramadol, pulls out of Vuelta + more on the live blog

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18 August 2022, 16:37
Mexican (A38) standoff
18 August 2022, 15:09
Ineos boss Sir Jim Ratcliffe interested in buying... *checks notes*... Manchester United
Sir Jim Ratcliffe and Sir Dave Brailsford (copyright Simon Wilkinson, SWpix.com)

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the chemical money behind Ineos' sporting empire and the Ineos Grenadiers cycling team, is interested in buying Manchester United, according to The Times.

Ratcliffe's spokesperson said: "If the club is for sale, Jim is definitely a potential buyer. If something like this was possible, we would be interested in talking with a view to long-term ownership."

Earlier this week, Elon Musk suggested he might be interested in bidding for the Premier League strugglers (that felt good, apologies United fans) before playing off the idea as a joke. Ratcliffe, apparently a boyhood United fan, made a £4 billion bid to buy Chelsea FC in April after the club was put up for sale by Roman Abramovich.

18 August 2022, 14:38
Movistar reveal 'Alejandro Valverde kit' for La Vuelta
Movistar Valverde Vuelta kit 2022 (Photo Gomez Sport / Movistar Team)

Movistar will use a predominantly white kit for the first time, in tribute to retiring team leader Alejandro Valverde, with the 42-year-old's biggest wins part of the design.

"No one deserves it more than him," a team press release explained. "In a one-off move, never seen over the 12 years Telefónica has been the organisation's title sponsor, the Movistar Team will overhaul its jersey for a three-week Grand Tour and dedicate its design for the 77th edition of La Vuelta to Alejandro Valverde, its most important rider for nearly two decades."

Movistar Valverde Vuelta kit 2022 (Photo Gomez Sport / Movistar Team)

 

18 August 2022, 14:28
An email from an overseas reader

While the majority of our readers are based here in the UK, Harry got in touch with an angle on Grant Shapps' comments we haven't heard yet — the impact on visitors coming to the UK by bike...

Visit Isle of Wight - CarFreeCampaign -Ferry Bikes.jpg

Regarding registering and insurance of bicycles, I was wondering whether he considered overseas visitors with bicycles. Last week I counted a lot of bicycles on the ferry. Will they require to temporarily import their bicycles and show proof of insurance? Will extra facilities be available for this? As some suggest, he's just playing to the Tory base via the Daily Mail, there is no substance. Just damage. 

18 August 2022, 14:09
Amy Pieters moved to an intensive neuro-rehabilitation facility
Amy Pieters (licensed CC BY SA 4.0 by Nicola on Wikimedia Commons)

Amy Pieters has been moved to an intensive neuro-rehabilitation facility in the Netherlands as she continues her recovery from a winter training camp crash which left her in an induced coma, regaining consciousness four months later.

> Amy Pieters shows signs of "awareness" four months after crash that left her in a coma

"At the Daan Theeuwes Centrum, Amy will continue to work even harder and focus more on her recovery," SD Worx, Pieters' team, said in a statement.

18 August 2022, 13:33
"The bile being spewed out in the media at the moment is genuinely really scary": Reader reaction to Jeremy Kyle and GB News joining the bike-bashing party

 BalladOfStruth is moving "on Sunday to somewhere were I'll be working fully remotely. I'm feeling very happy that I won’t be on the bike in commuter traffic for a while — the bile being spewed out in the media at the moment is genuinely really scary when you know that a non-trivial amount of drivers are using it to justify actually going out and punishing cyclists."

Cycloid added: "Hatred begets hatred — the volume has just been turned up again."

IanMK noticed something very interesting in Kyle's rant..."'How do you get to use the highways with no licence, no insurance, and without paying any tax, and with absolutely no speed limit? The answer is, of course, as easy as riding a bike...'

"Hold on a minute... Because I ride a bike I don't have to pay tax? I must be owed '000s. Just off to hand my notice in. When I return can somebody tell me where I claim my rebate?" Worth looking into...

PRSboy added: "Wait 'til folk find out about all the EV drivers, including those in £120k Porsche Taycans, who pay no 'road tax'. Not only that, but there are an increasing amount of EV-only parking spaces.

"The irony of the quoted statement is that anyone can ride a bike and enjoy the benefits! It's not like some special club. It is the most accessible and equitable form of transport there is.

"I really struggle to understand the vitriol being directed at cyclists in the media. I don't mind a bit of ribbing but this is getting ridiculous and is downright harassment, abetted by the Government.

"Look at the great young lad who cycled to Paris in memory of his daddy. Does Kyle honestly feel angry about him?"

Take a dip into the comments for ChrisB200SX's alternative debate with Kyle. Somehow I'm not sure Talk TV would want that broadcast...

And lastly...

18 August 2022, 12:00
An N+1er's guide to fixing a puncture
18 August 2022, 11:48
How well do you know the Highway Code?

A road.cc reader got in touch with a Highway Code and cycling signs quiz if you're looking for a bit of lunch-break procrastination...

Highway Code quiz

We thought we'd give it a shout out, largely because I just got 9/10 so hey, got to show off where you can...

The results breakdown of people who have taken the quiz so far is quite interesting too, with just 39.5 per cent (before you brainy lot get involved) knowing if drivers can cross double white lines to overtake a cyclist.

Head over to KOM club if you want to give it a go...

18 August 2022, 11:21
Trek-Segafredo call in the big boys to bodyguard Juan Pedro López

"You wanna get to him? You gotta go through me..."

Kirsch and Hoole getting chopped off at the chest makes this unintentionally funnier...here's the original...

Trek-Segafredo Vuelta (Vuelta Insta)

 

18 August 2022, 11:15
Cycling 'debate' spills over onto GB News breakfast show
18 August 2022, 10:56
Nairo Quintana denies using tramadol and pulls out of Vuelta to make his case to Court of Arbitration for Sport
Nairo Quintana 2022 TDF (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

[Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

A quick update to the Nairo Quintana story that broke amid the Grant Shapps storm yesterday. Having been disqualified from the Tour de France after the UCI said tests from two dates during the Tour suggested he had infringed their ban on taking painkiller tramadol in competition.

> Nairo Quintana sanctioned by UCI for Tour de France tramadol infringement

You can probably guess what's coming...anyway, in a statement released to Colombian media, Quintana expressed "surprise" at the UCI's finding and said he is "totally unaware of the use of this substance, and I deny ever using it during my career".

"With my legal team we will exhaust every means to prepare my defence," he added, saying the case will be brought before the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Despite initially saying he would race the Vuelta a España, starting in Utrecht tomorrow, the 33-year-old has now said he won't participate "to assert my reasons before the Court of Arbitration for Sport", but "will return to the race calendar at the end of the season".

18 August 2022, 10:30
Disc brakes are so last year
18 August 2022, 08:45
"I get irrationally angry about cyclists": Jeremy Kyle and GB News' primetime anti-cycling bingo ranting

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...

I'll save you a click with a brief recap. Jeremy Kyle is Talk TV's chosen replacement for Piers Morgan (conjuring thoughts of would you rather cut your arm or leg off), and stood in for the 'uncensored' host last night as the new station, owned by Rupert Murdoch's News UK, used its primetime show to tackle the big issue of the day — Transport Secretary Grant Shapps' later-contradicted statement about getting tough on bike riders...

> Confusion as Grant Shapps now says he is "not attracted to bureaucracy" of number plates for cyclists

Riding a stationary bicycle in-studio, Kyle — formerly of the self-named Jeremy Kyle 'chat show' once described by a judge as "human bear-baiting" and later pulled from production following the suicide of a guest — set off on a rant akin to many a Facebook comments section...

"How do you get to use the highways with no licence, no insurance, and without paying any tax, and with absolutely no speed limit? The answer is, of course, as easy as riding a bike...

> OPINION: Grant Shapps' stupid cycling comments are ill-judged, dangerous and fuelling more hatred towards cyclists

"This is the only time ever you'll see me doing this. I get irrationally angry about cyclists, I mean it. Don't come near me, I'm a cycle-path."

In the next minute-and-a-half Kyle recites the greatest "what's not to loathe?" hits: cyclists "dressing up like the Tour de France", the "chaingangs...riding side by side, whilst us tax-paying motorists queue behind getting later and later and more irate", "your Jeremy Vines, with more cameras than Kodak, picking fights and running red lights".

Strangely, as if to prove his point, Talk TV then ran a tape showing close passes, motorists hitting cyclists, road rage violence and a driver about to run a red light...

And it wasn't just Talk TV... as we got the double-header of GB News too, who an hour later on Dan Wootton's 9pm Tonight show repeated the 'discussion'.

You probably can't face any more, but, if you can, here's how Shapps' comments were reported in the national press and broadcast media yesterday... 

18 August 2022, 07:48
"Not sure if we were cycling or swimming": Cycling in the (torrential) rain

There's been weird water falling from the sky these past two days, anyone know what that is? Should we be concerned? That big hot ball of yellowness seems to have disappeared too.

Dodging rain showers makes a nice change from dodging the most dehydrating, skin-burning, energy-sapping hours of the day to go for a spin, although road.cc Simon might object to the 'niceness' of it all...

Similar story down in Devon where Kingsbridge Cycling Club were left a run short of a triathlon on their Wednesday night spin. As if the climb wasn't hard enough...

Alternatively, you could just copy Sam Bewley. So this is the secret to being a pro rider? Would have thought I'd clocked enough pub miles to get a contract, but evidently not. Must try harder...

> 9 top survival tips for cycling in the rain  (heading to the pub isn't one of them)

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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squired | 2 years ago
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One of the arguments from cyclists in relation to the potential new rules is that if you didn't like us before, you'll like us even less when we have a "right" (in your mind at least) to be on the road. We can ride in the middle of the road, sticking to the speed limit (especially in 20mph zones), holding you up from speeding, proudly displaying our licence plate and not breaking any law....

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ktache | 2 years ago
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The internals on the cam on the weinman hp turbos.

Almost a mechanical version of a magura hydraulic rim brake, maybe?

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Secret_squirrel replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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Kinda/sorta.

If I'm reading the diagram right its more of a dead ringer for the original Hope Mechanical Disc brakes, with the pad replaced by a block though.  Basically a spring loaded piston on a spiral track.

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ktache replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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I hadn't realised hope did mechanicals, the weinman was released in 84 so ahead of the hopes by a few years.

And it would appear, the maguras. I knew someone in the early 90s that had a set on his alpine stars. Very raised chain stays, no chainslap and you could take off the chain without breaking it, apart from the front mech, but I seem to remember they could be opened.

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Secret_squirrel replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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I love Magura's rim brakes.  Brilliant for handling dodgy cable routing before hydralic discs were cheap.

I had a set on my Birdy blue that replaced the dodgily routed V brake cable.

Best braking this side of a set of hydralic discs too.  (But eat rims)

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ktache replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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I had wondered about their effectiveness when used with ceramic/carbide rims.

My ceramic (Mavic 717s) with xtr Vs (Nokon cables and odyssey ti booster on the front) give excellent single finger braking,  two in the wet. I can tweak the setup for my finniky needs better than my very excellent hope tech 3 e 4s too. (Which are single finger in all conditions)

The mate with the maguras had Shimano Us on his previous MTB, he must of liked innovative stopping. Lot of power, though difficult to adjust, and there is no worse place on the bike for filth build up than the chain stays at the bottom bracket.

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TheBillder replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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ktache, what brake pads are you using? I have Mavic ceramic rims on my old tourer, with cantilever brakes. Currently using Kool Stop green but the braking is not good. People get passports sooner than I stop in the wet...

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ktache replied to TheBillder | 2 years ago
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I had to get the Vs because I couldn't get ceramic specific pads for my cantis. The ritchy's (koolstops) reds I was running screamed like crazy. So I ran shimanos ceramic specific for a while.

Though when changing my rims, finding them was a quest, I changed to swissstop blues, ceramic specific and you might be able to find some for cantis.

These

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-blocks/swissstop-blue-brake-pads-for-d...

There are some Q and As at the bottom of the page concerning cantis.

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ktache replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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TheBillder replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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Thanks!

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Cycloid | 2 years ago
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Hatred begets hatred - The volume has just been turned up again.

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ktache | 2 years ago
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More anti-cycling ranting bile from the hate filled guardian 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2022/aug/18/why-we-dre...

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hutchdaddy replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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Don't cha just wanna kiss 'em?
I do.

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IanMK | 2 years ago
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"How do you get to use the highways with no licence, no insurance, and without paying any tax, and with absolutely no speed limit? The answer is, of course, as easy as riding a bike..."

Hold on a minute....Because I ride a bike I don't have to pay tax? I must be owed '000s. Just off to hand my notice in. When I return can somebody tell me where I claim my rebate.

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Secret_squirrel replied to IanMK | 2 years ago
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The answer is of course, walk, cycle or ride a horse. FTFT.

Culture war arseholes the lot of them.

In my more gloomy moments I do wonder if this was how the media behaved in the Weimar Republic prior to 1933. 

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PRSboy replied to IanMK | 2 years ago
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Wait til folk find out about all the EV drivers, including those in £120k Porsche Taycans, who pay no 'road tax'.   Not only that, but there are an increasing amount of EV-only parking spaces.

The irony of the quoted statement is that anyone can ride a bike and enjoy the benefits!  Its not like some special club.  It is the most accessible and equitable form of transport there is.

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IanMK replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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Better still wait 'til they find out that there are cyclists that spent £000's on a new bicycle and could tax deduct against PAYE no

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ktache replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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And shockingly efficient.

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IanMSpencer replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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PRSboy wrote:

Wait til folk find out about all the EV drivers, including those in £120k Porsche Taycans, who pay no 'road tax'.   Not only that, but there are an increasing amount of EV-only parking spaces.

The irony of the quoted statement is that anyone can ride a bike and enjoy the benefits!  Its not like some special club.  It is the most accessible and equitable form of transport there is.

I always have an urge to point and ask why they haven't tried to run "them" (points at green number plate) off the road.

Strangely, I don't think they'd get it.

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hutchdaddy replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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...apart from walking.

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PRSboy | 2 years ago
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I really struggle to understand the vitriol being directed at cyclists in the media.  I don't mind a bit of ribbing but this is getting ridiculous and is downright harassment, abetted by the Government.

Look at the great young lad who cycled to Paris in memory of his daddy.

Does Kyle honestly feel angry about him?

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OldRidgeback replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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At least Kyle admits he's being irrational in his hatred. I see it as a cry for help. Maybe he should appear on some kind of no holds barred TV show and bear his damaged soul to the delight of a baying audience?

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Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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For a man who should already have the death of one person weighing heavily on his conscience Jeremy Kyle appears to have no qualms about setting up some other poor sod to be attacked by the kind of people he is winding up.

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IanMK replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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"I get irrationally angry about cyclists".

Has he just confessed that he has a personality disorder "Personality disorders are a group of mental illnesses. They involve long-term patterns of thoughts and behaviors that are unhealthy and inflexible."

Has he notified the DVLA.

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Clem Fandango replied to IanMK | 2 years ago
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So his whole premise is that his anger is, in his own words, "irrational"?

 

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HarrogateSpa replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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Might be best to ignore this crap. Not sure it's helpful for road.cc to amplify it.

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PRSboy replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 years ago
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HarrogateSpa wrote:

Might be best to ignore this crap. Not sure it's helpful for road.cc to amplify it.

I normally would, if it were confined to the Daily Wail or Gammony Bigot News.  Sadly the Govt brought it into the mainstream which has made it rather more serious.

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Hirsute replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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It's all over the local rags which are part of the same group.

Although Bristol Post has no comments allowed !

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Rendel Harris replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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For something to weigh heavily on your conscience you actually have to have one. Cnuts like him simply don't, as far as I can tell.

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ChrisB200SX | 2 years ago
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Jeremy Kyle wrote:

I get irrationally angry about cyclists

So, maybe see a mental health professional, get therapy, or just use the rational part of your brain to not get angry at people travelling by a method that is a legal right in the UK (CROW Act 2000) rather than go on TV and stir up the baseless hatred, othering and division against people who ride a bike by using false dichotomy, lies, etc.

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Why are so many cyclist out to cause trouble?

They aren't, it's your irrational incorrect interpretation.

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I'm all for cyclists if it's fair and proper but it's not like that any more

Good, it is fair and proper, same as it always has been.

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Why have you got a camera?

Perfectly legal, various reasons, obvious to anyone with a brain, mostly for my protection to capture evidence, etc. There are cameras almost everywhere in the UK, many of them dashcams.

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Most drivers in this country are hacked off with cyclists, we feel like second class citizens

No, we drivers are not, that is not how we feel.

Jeremy Kyle wrote:

Why aren't you insured?

I am, as are nearly all cyclists even though there is no legal requirement, same for walking. See CROW Act 2000.

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Why are they allowed to cycle in pairs?

Because we live in a free country. Same reason motor vehicles are allowed to be so wide.

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You don't pay for roads, do you think that is fair?

Actually we all do. General taxation and council tax.

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Cyclists seem to be gaining the upper hand

In what, how? It's not a war or a game that is scored.

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I believe 531 incidents of cyclists bashing into pedestrians

That is incorrect, how many of those were pedestrians bashing into cyclists? You cannot expect there to never be ANY collisions where users share the road network, really?

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Do you not think cyclists should have rules?

False argument due to being phrased in the negative, implies there are no rules. (Should be phrased "Do you think there should be no rules for cyclists?") They do, see the Highway Code.

There is gutter press but this is truly scum media. I would not care if these scumbags died in a fire, the world would be a far better place without them.

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