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Pro bike race cancelled thanks to Jeremy Clarkson-idolising farmers; Oops! Teammates take wrong turn and get tangled in police tape, but hold on for win; Camera cyclist slammed for reporting ambulance driver using phone in traffic + more on the live blog

As the endless, soulless drudgery of January finally draws to a close, Ryan Mallon’s back for some winter levity (and maybe a bit of cycling news) on the Wednesday live blog

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31 January 2024, 10:26
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Opening stage of Etoile de Bessèges cancelled – due to protests from Jeremy Clarkson-idolising French farmers

One straightforward edition of the Etoile de Bessèges, that’s all I’m asking for…

After last year’s chaotic second stage of the early season French stage race, which was cancelled after a nasty mass crash, the opening stage of the 2024 race – set to take place this afternoon – has already bit the dust… thanks to protests by Jeremy Clarkson-idolising farmers (I know, you couldn’t make it up).

Farmers across France have spent much of the past week blocking roads with tractors and causing disruption in a bid to put pressure on the government to take measures against the current agricultural crisis and accept their demands for better remuneration for their produce, less red tape, and protection against cheap imports.

And these protesting farmers’ somewhat unlikely hero and inspiration? Only Stewart Lee’s second-favourite Top Gear host, of course. In an interview with the Telegraph, 30-year-old Robin Leduc, who has a 200-hectare farm in Canly, said “we need one of our French celebrities to do the same as Jeremy Clarkson. It’s everything he explained, that’s why and how we are here today.”

The Clarkson Island (sorry, I mean Farm) star even tweeted his support of the protest, writing: “French farmers. I bet no one has ever said this before, but good luck, coming from England.”

In a predicament that would provoke quite the bit of soul searching in farming enthusiast and road-blocking protester punching supremo Bernard Hinault, these Clarkson-inspired protests – and their road blocking actions – have forced the Gard department’s president to pill the pin on today’s first stage of the Etoile de Bessèges.

The planned loop around Bellegarde, earmarked for the sprinters, features the A54 – a target for the protesting farmers – and would have led to stretched police resources. However, the organisers believe the rest of the race will go ahead, though the cancellation of today’s stage will certainly hit the coffers of such a small French stage race.

2023 world road race championships stopped following protest (Pauline Ballet/SWpix.com)

(Pauline Ballet/SWpix.com)

“Given the current social context in the department, the Prefecture of Gard has asked the organisers of the Etoile de Bessèges to cancel the first stage of the Etoile de Bessèges-Tour du Gard which was to take place this Wednesday, January 31, 2024, between Bellegarde and Bellegarde,” the organisers said in a statement last night. “It is with regret that the first stage of the Etoile de Bessèges-Tour du Gard 2024 is cancelled.”

“The worry is not at all the same for the other days of racing. In the Gard department, this area around Bellegarde is more impacted than the other roads that we will take from Thursday,” race organiser Claudine Fangille also told DirectVelo.

“We will then go back towards the north of the department and there will certainly be fewer problems with blockages. This is a less hot zone than [Wednesday]. Ditto for Saturday’s stage and the Bessèges stage,” Fangille added, before noting that the race had planned to allow the farmers to speak at the start, and that the protesters were not planning to stop the race – but that the local government “decided not to take any risks”.

So, if former world champion Mads Pedersen asks why he didn’t get a chance to add another obligatory early season win in the south of France to his growing collection today, just tell him to blame Jeremy Clarkson…

31 January 2024, 15:21
VF Bardiani riders take wrong turn during Tour of Valencia
Woops! VF Bardiani riders take wrong turn in final kilometre – and get tangled in police tape – but hold on for brilliant one-two victory at Volta Valenciana

It was all going so smoothly for Alessandro Tonelli and Manuele Tarozzi as they entered the final kilometre of this afternoon’s opening stage of the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana in Castellón.

The VF Bardiani teammates had played a blinder during the hilly, 167km-long stage, infiltrating a break which somehow managed to pull out a mammoth nine-minute gap over a dithering peloton, before blowing it to pieces with over 20km to go on the final climb of the Desert de les Palmes.

Despite some largely fruitless attacks from the big guns in the bunch, such as Matej Mohorič (who once again put his descending skills to good use) and Oier Lazkano (who managed to eke out ten or so seconds on Mohorič, Milan, Matthews and co. by the line), the unfancied duo were left alone out front with the freedom of the Valencian region, soaking in their faultless ride and forging a possible race-winning margin in the process.

Until, that is, the two teammates approached a roundabout with 900m to go and, instead of going straight on, they instead veered right – with Tonelli carrying on straight into the line of police tape stretched across the junction.

While Tarozzi was able to slam on the brakes and make a swift turn, Tonelli then had a nightmare freeing himself of the tape, which appeared to have got stuck in his handlebars.

After eventually unravelling himself, with the help of a spectator, the 31-year-old eventually caught up with Tarozzi, who had dutifully waited on his older colleague – almost certainly on team orders – to let a laughing, if slightly embarrassed, Tonelli cross the line first for the win.

The Italians’ chaotic final kilometre – which cut their lead to 1.09 – may ultimately have repercussions for what was developing into an unlikely challenge for the overall win in Valencia, but for a small Pro Team outfit like VF Bardiani, who secured their first victory of the season, and with a dominant one-two no less, I don’t think they’ll care too much.

31 January 2024, 16:48
When you announce your squad for a race after the first stage was supposed to have finished

As always, I blame Clarkson.

(And on a non-Jezza-related note, keep an eye on Darren Rafferty, making his senior stage racing debut for EF tomorrow. The kid’s got talent.)

31 January 2024, 16:07
Taking a wrong turn and veering off course: Cycling’s latest good luck charm?

Alessandro Tonelli’s post-race winner’s interview – only the second of his decade-long career – at the Volta Valenciana may have been a little more red-faced than his first back in 2018, after the Italian’s late race detour and encounter with some pesky tape at a roundabout, but the 31-year-old can take solace in the fact he’s joined a growing list of recent race winners who have strayed off course en route to victory.

Last March, Swiss powerhouse Marlen Reusser had a very similar, albeit solo, experience at a sodden Gent-Wevelgem, the SD Worx rider drifting off the front with 40km to go, building an unassailable lead, before missing a right turn in the final few twisting kilometres.

Reusser instead veered to her left and down a side street, towards two young and rather bemused cyclists. Despite riding for a considerable distance before turning (no tape this time I’m afraid), she had more than enough in the bank (and in the tank) to hold on for the biggest win of her career.

And in October, Britain’s latest time trialling sensation Josh Tarling pulled the classic British feat of going the wrong way at a roundabout during a TT – albeit this one was the Chrono des Nations, not your local 10 – before still managing to beat world champion Remco Evenepoel by 13 seconds.

Josh Tarling wins Chrono des Nations 2023

Not bad company then, Alessandro.

31 January 2024, 14:57
Meanwhile, in Brazil

Talk about a near miss… 

31 January 2024, 14:29
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Raleigh and Lapierre owner set to cut 150 jobs as part of “streamlining” operation across Europe

Another day, another round of troubling news for the bike industry, as the Accell Group, the owner of Raleigh and Lapierre, has announced that it is expecting to make 150 employees redundant as part of is plans to merge two facilities in the Netherlands and streamline its production process across Europe.

According to Bike Europe, around half of the 320 permanent employees based at Accell’s site in Heerenveen are expected to lose their jobs, as the company says it is “closely collaborating” with unions to ensure clarity for all impacted staff members.

> Raleigh confirms redundancies and Nottingham headquarters move in “very difficult decision”

This new wave of job cuts comes just three since after Raleigh confirmed its own swathe of redundancies as part of a restructuring process at the iconic bike brand’s Nottingham base, which will see the firm’s part and accessories business close and responsibility for warehousing and logistics transferred to a third party.

The redundancies were first touted in November, when Accell – whose long-term default credit rating was downgraded from B- to CCC by ratings firm Fitch, meaning the company was deemed to be a “substantial credit risk” –  launched a formal employee consultation on restructuring proposals, following a detailed review of the business which, Accell said, would “better position our operations for sustainable growth”.

31 January 2024, 14:06
Council that rubbished “completely untrue” claims about controversial cycle lane being too wide set to begin work on next section

The next stage of an ambitious ‘Gloucestershire Cycle Spine’ cycling infrastructure project, which will link major towns and cities in the county, is set to begin, just months on from the live blog reporting that the county council was forced to hit back at “completely untrue” and “unfounded social media speculation” about the project.

B4063 project (Google Maps)

Read more: > Council that rubbished “completely untrue” claims about controversial cycle lane being too wide set to begin work on next section

31 January 2024, 13:29
Uno-X’s Søren Wærenskjold punches his way to first win of the season in reduced bunch sprint at AlUla Tour

On the wide, sandy, and occasional punchy roads of Saudi Arabia, worlds away from protesting French farmers and blocked rural roads, Uno-X’s Søren Wærenskjold secured his first win of the season with a powerful uphill sprint on the second stage of the AlUla Tour, taking the leader’s jersey in the process.

With the bunch whittled down by the long drag to the Sharaan Nature Reserve, Carlton Kirby’s favourite buccaneering Frenchman Pierre Latour attacked with 1.5km to go, only being caught by a small group withing touching distance of the line, as pre-stage favourite Wærenskjold powered past, ahead of Astana’s Eritrean Henok Mulubrhan and Nils Eekhoff of DSM-Firmenich PostNL.

And while there’s a lot of talk about the lack of atmosphere at these sparsely attended early season Middle East races, today’s AlUla Tour stage did at least feature its very own sand twister:

Now you don’t get them at the Ruta del Sol very often…

31 January 2024, 12:57
‘About time we ripped out those pesky car lanes, nobody’s using them!’
31 January 2024, 12:26
Brixton Cycles
Iconic London bike shop Brixton Cycles launches fundraiser after three week-long power outage brings business “to our knees”

Legendary South London bike shop Brixton Cycles has launched a fundraising campaign after a three week-long power outage at the end of last year cost the shop around £30,000, off the back of what was already the business’ worst financial year for two decades.

Founded in 1983, Brixton Cycles is the oldest and most durable of the workers-owned co-operative bike shops that popped up all over the UK in the 1980s, winning London Cycling Campaign’s Best Small Bike Retailer award in 2014.

After its former residence next to Stockwell Skatepark was earmarked to be demolished to make way for flats in 2015, the enterprise launched a hugely successful crowdfunding campaign to enable it to move to its current location of 296-298 Brixton Road.

> Brixton Cycles campaign: 10-year old beard gets the chop if new fundraising goal achieved

And now, almost a decade on, Brixton Cycles has once again turned to the crowdfunding method to ensure its survival, after an electrical fault left them fixing bikes by torch for almost a month.

“It’s no surprise to anyone that times have been tough in the bicycle industry since the cost of living crisis,” Brixton Cycles said on their new GoFundMe page, which was set up with the aim of recovering the £30,000 lost due to the outage. “While we have strived to provide the best service to all our customers and kept our crew on a sustainable wage, our business has been suffering this year (2023 was our worst financial year for 20 years).

“Towards the end of 2023, the lights went out, literally. A three-week external electrical fault brought us to our knees. Our insurance has covered some of the loss of earnings and the damaged equipment but not all of it. We kept our doors open and did our best to repair bikes with the aid of head torches, but we are, in all honesty, struggling to bounce back.

“Now we are asking humbly for some help. Our target amount is 30k. This corresponds with about 3-4 weeks of loss of earnings from our power outage. This amount would help us to get through and bounce back.

“We have served the community for 40 years and would love to continue to do so and be at the heart of Brixton’s independent shopping experience.”

You can donate to Brixton Cycles’ fundraising campaign at the shop’s GoFundMe page.

31 January 2024, 12:09
The two sides of January training camps in one image
Groupama-FDJ training camp (Stefan Kung)

I think it’s safe to say which Groupama-FDJ rider best represents my own response to hard winter training. And it’s not Valentin Madouas and his nonchalant enjoyment of the view, I’ll tell you that for nothing…

31 January 2024, 11:27
2023 Giro Stage 1 Remco Evenepoel - 2 (1)
Two Remcos? That’s insane: Belgian Cycling set to create life-size Remco Evenepoel and Wout van Aert dummies to test skinsuits ahead of Olympic time trial

Did you spend the build-up to Christmas wishing for your own life-size Remco Evenepoel doll, only to be let down when you discovered it doesn’t exist (actually, on second thought, don’t answer that).

Well, like an aero gain-hunting Father Christmas, Belgian Cycling has delivered on that front, by announcing this week that it’s creating full-scale dummies of its two star male riders, Evenepoel and Wout van Aert, which will be used as non-thinking, docile stand-ins (no elite cyclist personality jokes, thank you very much) when the riders themselves are racing the Tour and the Giro.

The dummies, which will cost the Belgian governing body tens of thousands of euros, according to DeMorgen, will ‘take part’ in extensive wind tunnel tests as kit supplier Bioracer aims to create the fastest skinsuit possible ahead of the men’s Olympic time trial in Paris, which Belgium will enter with sky-high medal hopes courtesy of world champion Evenepoel and double world silver medallist Van Aert.

The dolls will be based on 4D scans of Wout and Remco, taken during a test on the track at Zolder while wearing the nation’s current TT kit.

Wout van Aert, 2023 world road race championships, Glasgow (Thomas Maheux/SWpix.com)

(Thomas Maheux/SWpix.com)

“You can also do the test with the rider, but that requires a lot of time and energy, especially with repeated tests spread over months, as in this file,” a Remco ‘insider’ told DeMorgen.

“In addition, a comparison test with a doll is more accurate. A doll is static, while the rider constantly adopts a different position while pedalling on his bicycle. In the latter case you measure the difference between the positions instead of the difference between the time trial suits.”

While Van Aert’s doll is already in production, Evenepoel Jnr (now, there’s a frightening prospect) will have to wait until March for his wind tunnel debut. Of course, this isn’t the first time Van Aert has been subject to the life size doll treatment.

Back in 2021, Jumbo-Visma, working with the Technical University Eindhoven, also created their own WVA and Primož Roglič, with horror movie-like consequences (at least for their rivals)…

Wout van Aert wind tunnel dummy (Jumbo-Visma)

Yikes.

Some have claimed that the Wout doll is a better interviewee than the real thing, but we’ll not go into that today…

31 January 2024, 11:08
“By backing this cycle lane, we are securing a new deal for cyclists, safety, efficiency, convenience, and quality of life”
31 January 2024, 09:59
Cycling can help reduce risk of prostate cancer, new study suggests

Cycling could help men reduce their risk of prostate cancer by more than a third, a new study has suggested.

That is the finding of new research out of the Swedish School of Sport and Health Sciences in Stockholm, and published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, which reports that improving cardiovascular fitness by three per cent in a year was linked to a reduced risk (as much as 35 per cent) of developing prostate cancer, suggesting that activities such as cycling, swimming, or running can reduce a man’s risk of developing the disease.

Cyclists in London talking in cycle lane - copyright Simon MacMichael

Read more: > Cycling can help reduce risk of prostate cancer, new study suggests

31 January 2024, 09:06
Ambulance driver caught by cyclist using phone in traffic (SRangerCycling, YouTube)
“Nobody is above the law”: Clip of ambulance driver using phone in traffic divides opinion, as motorists tell cyclist to “stop doing this to people who are just trying to do their job”

The whole ‘camera cyclists catching phone drivers’ debate has been a long and draining one in recent years (just ask Cycling Mikey), polarising opinion between those who believe that cyclists who spot illegal and dangerous behaviour behind the wheel are fulfilling an important duty… and those who reckon they’re just a bunch of busybody grasses interrupting a motorist’s precious WhatsApp traffic time.

> “People need to see justice being done”: CyclingMikey says camera cyclists suffer online abuse because some motorists “feel they have the right to drive how they want”

But rarely has the issue of phone drivers and camera cyclists been more polarised than in the reaction to a recent clip posted on YouTube by road.cc reader SRanger, which showed an ambulance driver appearing to hold their phone while driving in traffic.

The incident took place on Surbiton’s Tolworth Way, with the cyclist later reporting the driver to police.

“The driver was reported and I received an email from the Met Prosecutions stating that action against the driver is being considered. Therefore, I believe this driver would have been prosecuted,” SRanger said.

“I would expect paramedics to know not to use their mobile phone whilst driving. Paramedics are not exempt from traffic offences.”

However, judging by a cursory glance at the comments underneath the video, quite a few people didn’t share SRanger’s opinion – to put it mildly.

“Pedantry. I’d give a paramedic/patient transport a free pass in a traffic jam,” said YouTube user PickChore. “Could be checking all manner of work-related info for all you know. A paramedic with blues and twos checking TikTok are the ones you want.”

> Near Miss of the Day 886: Fast close pass at pinch point – but driver only gets warning letter due to stretched police resources

“And you’re riding on the central reservation! Well done, I hope you sleep well at night,” wrote The Chappers.

Several other commenters also ‘observed’ that the cyclist was apparently riding on the pavement – only for SRanger to clarify that it’s a shared-use path.

Lee, meanwhile, was even blunter in his appraisal of the situation, writing: “The person driving, very likely a paramedic, wouldn’t have time to pedal around town filming people, due to the (at least) 12-hour shifts.  They do more good in one day than the cyclist filming has done in their life.

“And I don’t want to hear how deadly dangerous her behaviour was, operating a phone while barely moving, sitting in heavy traffic.”

“Mate they were stationary, it’s not like they were driving 70 miles an hour down the motorway, plus as you said they’re a paramedic, how do you know it’s not work related?” Stan added.

“These people risk their lives to help strangers. If you broke your neck tomorrow, who would you call to help you, so stop doing this to people who are just trying to do their job.”

“Help, I’ve been run over on my bike. Sorry we have nobody to send, the responder has been suspended,” added Mark Paul, prompting SRanger to respond: “It’s not my fault the driver decided to commit a driving offence”.

> Not giving up — why a camera cyclist driven off social media by abuse won’t stop reporting dangerous motorists

However, rather amazingly, not everyone was lining up to attack the cyclist’s actions.

 “It amazes me that the people in the comments are actually having a go at YOU for filming and reporting this illegal behaviour,” said Mr Frog.

“It is indeed a twisted world we are living in, it seems that personal responsibility and accountability has gone completely out of the window! All I see around me now is grown adults, who should know better, acting like children!”

“Nobody is above the law,” concluded SRanger. “I am just a member of the public who happened to witness a driving offence taking place. Therefore, I decided to report it to the police as with all my encounters with offending drivers.

“There are a lot of cyclists with cameras reporting driving offences to the police, it is not just me.”

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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marmotte27 | 9 months ago
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Is this actually the same paramedic who allows himself to be constantly wheeled out as an argument against cycle lanes, LTNs and generally any measures in favour of active travel? If so he deserves everything that's coming his way at the moment.
Now we just need to catch his colleague from the fire brigade using his phone behind the wheel...

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john_smith | 9 months ago
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I like the way the Wout doll has even got the original Wout's facial expression.

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eburtthebike | 9 months ago
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If anyone should be aware of the disastrous consequences of phone driving, it's a paramedic.  Promote them to the cycle response team.

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brooksby | 9 months ago
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On the Brixton Cycles story: how the AF does an "external electrical fault" last for three weeks?  Surely there are grounds for some serious compensation from the electricity company?

 

(sorry - just read that back and it sounds spectacularly naive…)

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mctrials23 | 9 months ago
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As per the drivists code of conduct I feel compelled to comment on the embankment video. So many cyclists and so few cars. Whats the point of all these roads if no one is using them. So much money for roads and drivers still don't use them. 

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mitsky replied to mctrials23 | 9 months ago
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Anytime someone complains about "empty" cycle lanes, I suggest pointing to empty bus lanes, pavements and potentially empty sections of road and say "Why have all that there when it is empty and unused?".

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NotNigel replied to mitsky | 9 months ago
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Bus lanes certainly seem next in line for what gets the frothy mouthed fossils going in our local rag...I'm surprised pavements aren't fair game for their arguments.

a good example.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/hull-bus-f...

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quiff replied to mitsky | 9 months ago
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I think your point may be a bit subtle for the pavement parkers out there.  

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marmotte27 | 9 months ago
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Professional (!!!) drivers. So extra extra responsibility to hehave correctly in traffic. Not that Joe Public commenting on social media would actually be aware of that, of course, given they never really reflect about anything.

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Hirsute | 9 months ago
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The ambulance driver would also have HR policies about driving and general use of a vehicle and would have contrevened those leading to a potential disciplinary.

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Oldfatgit replied to Hirsute | 9 months ago
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You can tell that the ambulance driver knew they were doing wrong by how furtive they were being.
If they were doing something correct and above board, then the phone wouldn't be down in their lap - it would be up in the air where it could be clearly seen.

In my place of work, office based staff can be disciplined if they are caught having a phone call with someone that sounds like they are in a moving vehicle.
None of our engineers and subbies will even answer the phone on hands free ... we have a total, blanket ban on any phone or device use while driving or a passenger in anything other than a bus or train.

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andystow replied to Oldfatgit | 9 months ago
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Oldfatgit wrote:

You can tell that the ambulance driver knew they were doing wrong by how furtive they were being. If they were doing something correct and above board, then the phone wouldn't be down in their lap - it would be up in the air where it could be clearly seen. In my place of work, office based staff can be disciplined if they are caught having a phone call with someone that sounds like they are in a moving vehicle. None of our engineers and subbies will even answer the phone on hands free ... we have a total, blanket ban on any phone or device use while driving or a passenger in anything other than a bus or train.

Where I work we're not allowed to use our phones, except hands free, while walking anywhere on our campus. Let alone while driving.

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PRSboy | 9 months ago
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My concern is that cyclists sneaking about peering through car windows in queuing traffic can come across as sanctimonious and weird, which breeds resentment and reflects on us all when we are on the road.

 

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hawkinspeter replied to PRSboy | 9 months ago
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PRSboy wrote:

My concern is that cyclists sneaking about peering through car windows in queuing traffic can come across as sanctimonious and weird, which breeds resentment and reflects on us all when we are on the road.

If you think that cyclists need to "sneak" and "peer through car windows" to spot drivers using phones, then you probably don't do much cycling in traffic.

You know what breeds resentment? Drivers who can't be bothered to pay attention to the road and instead put us in danger with their selfish incompetence.

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wycombewheeler replied to hawkinspeter | 9 months ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

PRSboy wrote:

My concern is that cyclists sneaking about peering through car windows in queuing traffic can come across as sanctimonious and weird, which breeds resentment and reflects on us all when we are on the road.

If you think that cyclists need to "sneak" and "peer through car windows" to spot drivers using phones, then you probably don't do much cycling in traffic.

You know what breeds resentment? Drivers who can't be bothered to pay attention to the road and instead put us in danger with their selfish incompetence.

To be fair, from the persepctive of someone staring intently at their phone, everyone appears to be "sneaking" except perhaps a marching oompah band.

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Oldfatgit replied to wycombewheeler | 9 months ago
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And from what I've seen, they would be oblivious to the marching oompah band too.

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Rendel Harris replied to PRSboy | 9 months ago
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PRSboy wrote:

My concern is that cyclists sneaking about peering through car windows in queuing traffic can come across as sanctimonious and weird, which breeds resentment and reflects on us all when we are on the road.

Research has shown that using a mobile when driving has a danger level equivalent to driving over the legal alcohol limit (some research shows well over, the equivalent of having four pints). If you saw someone getting into their car pissed, would you stop them or would you leave them be on the grounds that it might make you look sanctimonious and weird and cause resentment?

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don simon fbpe replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Citation needed.

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Rendel Harris replied to don simon fbpe | 9 months ago
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don simon fbpe wrote:

Citation needed.

Certainly, I'll just - oh hang on, my mistake, this is an online comments section, not a PhD supervision. There's a marvellous thing called Google, if you go there and type in "Mobile phone use driving compared drink driving" you'll find all the research one could wish for. Hope that helps.

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don simon fbpe replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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So more utter bollocks then and as helpful as a marzipan dildo. Diolch yn fawr iawn!

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Rendel Harris replied to don simon fbpe | 9 months ago
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don simon fbpe wrote:

So more utter bollocks then and as helpful as a marzipan dildo. Diolch yn fawr iawn!

If you choose to believe that refusing to rise to your silly sealioning (which clearly was not a genuine request for further information but simply, as proved by your response, an excuse to continue your rather petty feud with me) proves that a statement is bollocks then that's your prerogative. A rather more intelligent way to respond might have been to produce any evidence that proves that what I was saying isn't true, but that might be rather difficult to find because there isn't any.

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don simon fbpe replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

So more utter bollocks then and as helpful as a marzipan dildo. Diolch yn fawr iawn!

If you choose to believe that refusing to rise to your silly sealioning (which clearly was not a genuine request for further information but simply, as proved by your response, an excuse to continue your rather petty feud with me) proves that a statement is bollocks then that's your prerogative. A rather more intelligent way to respond might have been to produce any evidence that proves that what I was saying isn't true, but that might be rather difficult to find because there isn't any.

I love how this works, say something stupid and everyone has to Google it, but I will demand evidence or just dismiss it. I will smother my comments with childish insults and arrogance then walk away doing my happy wankdance. Are you related to that other dickhead on here?

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Rendel Harris replied to don simon fbpe | 9 months ago
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don simon fbpe wrote:

I will demand evidence or just dismiss it. I will smother my comments with childish insults and arrogance then walk away doing my happy wankdance.

That appears to be a perfect description of exactly what you've done on this thread.

 

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perce replied to don simon fbpe | 9 months ago
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Who's that then?

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NotNigel replied to don simon fbpe | 9 months ago
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I don't know...a marzipan dildo could quite easily be formed into another shape or rolled out to cover a cake or Battenberg...seems quite useful to me.

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don simon fbpe replied to NotNigel | 9 months ago
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Now there's a, rather unpleasant, thought.

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chrisonabike replied to NotNigel | 9 months ago
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Also makes a high-energy post-coital snack.  Or you've stumbled upon an aero storage location for extra fuel on audaxes?

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don simon fbpe replied to PRSboy | 9 months ago
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Anyone that generalises and thinks that the actions of a few is representative of "us all" is a bit of a divvy, in my humble opinion.

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Clem Fandango replied to PRSboy | 9 months ago
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....and yet a growing number of drivists have successfully managed to breed resentment amongst other road users (but somehow not tarred all of us when we are on the road) by bowling about with a sense of entitlement,  impunity and a general thumbing of the nose towards basic road safety.    Aren't culture wars great!

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to PRSboy | 9 months ago
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There are many more instances of car dashcams being used as evidence in Road Traffic violations than cyclist cams, and despite the sheer volume of incidents (just search Dash Cams UK into YouTube search bar, and see what results you get) it doesn't get reported or sensationalised in mainstream media or in other social circles. It is subconsciously accepted as normal and oft ignored in instances like this.

Admittedly, a dash cam might not pick up a mobile phone in someone's lap but RLJ motorists, dangerous manouvres and other transgressions are regularly caught via this method.

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