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Apart from MGIF

I suspect the fact P&R mentioned "Speed", not the overtake. It was a MGIF and the arguing back also stated Parks and Rec was "in the middle of the road" (which he wasn't) which is why the car driver had to "speed" (his words before backtracking) to save 10 seconds to get to his destination. 

Yes, but to stop and give a lecture on supposed speeding when someone has given you a wide berth is self defeating. I suspect the driver was surprised to be lectured and should have just stuck with " I gave you loads of room stop complaining about nothing".

He is lecturing on a shit bit of driving. The BMW driver decided to speed past whilst  approaching traffic lights and a narrowing of road way, and one where  he couldn't see around the corner and only did it because a cyclist was in front so MGIF. And this was after the cyclist had to move across to avoid what looked like poor road surface on that bit of junction. 

I mean look at the whole situation, first car in front slowing to turn left, other car at junction just pulled out so they couldn't overtake until that was cleared, not much room coming up and not really a clear view of the oncoming road in the split second the BMW driver decided to speed past the cyclist to then have to brake heavily again and saved himself 2-3 seconds at most. It was shit driving even if the initial pass might not have been "close".

AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

He is lecturing on a shit bit of driving. The BMW driver decided to speed past whilst  approaching traffic lights and a narrowing of road way, and one where  he couldn't see around the corner and only did it because a cyclist was in front so MGIF. And this was after the cyclist had to move across to avoid what looked like poor road surface on that bit of junction. 

I mean look at the whole situation, first car in front slowing to turn left, other car at junction just pulled out so they couldn't overtake until that was cleared, not much room coming up and not really a clear view of the oncoming road in the split second the BMW driver decided to speed past the cyclist to then have to brake heavily again and saved himself 2-3 seconds at most. It was shit driving even if the initial pass might not have been "close".

The driver will have been confident nothing was coming the other way because it's signal controlled, but I agree a completely pointless MGIF, particularly given you pretty much always hit traffic on the other side of the bridge.  I always take the lane through there - and on the other side - because I am nearly always taking the right turn after the bridge (because that's the cut through to my house!)

I guess we are going to disagree on this one. The driver could see the light were in his favour and the blue car was just about to go through the bridge so to me picked the best spot to overtake and gave a wide berth.

In terms of mgif that's retrospective as we don't know whether the driver intended to stop or knew that there would be traffic the other side.

Seagull2 wrote:

I certainly remember noticing the contrast between Irish roads and UK roads when i lived in Yorkshire for a few years in late 90's. 

LOL at those busy Yorkshire roads, trying coming to the southeast

LOL at those busy Yorkshire roads, trying coming to the southeast

Meanwhile, here in Chester, six cars at the lights constitues a traffic jam!

Maybe all it was, was that Clarkson hadn't realised you could make money from bicycles.  Now he knows that, maybe he'll be all in favour of them...

brooksby wrote:

Maybe all it was, was that Clarkson hadn't realised you could make money from bicycles.  Now he knows that, maybe he'll be all in favour of them...

He's made a couple of comments over the years about getting 'ordinary' people onto bikes and there was that time he was on holiday somewhere exotic where the only way he could get to the pub was by cycling 3km over a mountain. I suspect that he enjoys cycling (most people do when they give it a try) but his media persona requires a bit of cyclist bashing.

Especially as that bike she's riding costs £4,250 https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Specialized/Turbo-Como-SL-50-Electric-Hybrid-Bike-2021/TXFT

I wonder why she doesn't ask her dad to get her a proper job so she can afford to buy a car.

We were one of only 3 countries in Europe (the others being Malta and Ireland) that didn't have the concept of Presumed Liability enshrined in law.  It's long overdue.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uk-cyclings-thriving-should-even-better-health-huw-watkins/?trackingId=NXvOExNeTU2z6fEtkQRzfQ%3D%3D

Joe Nation wrote:

While I generally agree with the new road user hierarchy, it sits at odds with my experience of working in a distribution warehouse - the bigger and more dangerous a vehicle, the greater priority it has. A big forklift takes a lot of skill to drive, has reduced visibility and can cause serious injury and death; a pedestrian can stop and turn in an instant and poses almost no risk to anyone but themselves.

But in my experience at least, people at work pay a lot more attention and are a lot more considerate of others, than people on the roads. So I reckon they've got it right.

Our H&S dept is trying to reverse that convention - it's happening slowly but surely, but it's sometimes like pulling teeth. The reason it's like that is exactly what you say - you can't concentrate on being fast and being safe. The management teams bigger KPIs are about prod - MHE injuries are relatively rare, so aren't assigned as high a priority. So make the victims the ones in the wrong - it's all enshrined in the training, and management can wash their hands.

In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren't penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe.....

Captain Badger wrote:

In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren't penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe.....

I used to put one of these on to move rolls of carpet at a hardware store. We called it "the carpet dick."

saw the comment without the picture, disapointed this tool is fitted to a fork lift and not worn.

I'll never look at my shagpile in the same way again.

andystow wrote:

Captain Badger wrote:

In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren't penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe.....

I used to put one of these on to move rolls of carpet at a hardware store. We called it "the carpet dick."

 

But that example is private property with staff told certain safety guidleines and with also flashing lights and moving sounds usually used for the vehicles to alert as well. And even then I expect the onus is still on the operator of the vehicle to ensure it is safe to action in the actual print copies of the H and S policy for the company. 

AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

But that example is private property with staff told certain safety guidleines and with also flashing lights and moving sounds usually used for the vehicles to alert as well. And even then I expect the onus is still on the operator of the vehicle to ensure it is safe to action in the actual print copies of the H and S policy for the company. 

 

Yes, it's a (relatively) highly controlled closed environment, where everyone knows each other personally, and what they're doing. It shouldn't be seen as an exemplar for road policy, with the possible exception of being able to swiftly revoke licences, and limiting the vehicles to low speed - ours are at 6mph inside the building

I saw JV posted a clip the other week he went sailing up the left side of a vehicle already indicating and moving across, and blamed the driver for getting in the way.

I do think he treats his twitter abit like that channel 5 show he does sometimes.