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“Allowing cyclists to ignore 20mph zones makes a dangerous situation so much worse”: Mr Loophole calls for “kamikaze cyclists” to be forced to adhere to 20mph speed limits and wear number plates; The great garish TT helmet poll + more on the live blog

Did anyone hear some rumours about a new time trial helmet design? I could have sworn I saw something… Anyway, Ryan Mallon’s back with more helmet (I mean cycling) news, views, and nonsense on the Tuesday live blog

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05 March 2024, 09:08
“Allowing cyclists to ignore 20mph zones makes a dangerous situation so much worse”: Mr Loophole calls for “kamikaze cyclists” to be forced to adhere to 20mph speed limits, amid renewed call for cycling number plates

After yesterday’s blog – and its focus on the “plagues of two-wheeled vermin” swarming around Box Hill, at least according to one oddly furious, tuba-playing student – reminded us that vicious anti-cycling invectives can cut across the generations, we’re now diverting our attention back to one of the anti-cycling OGs, ‘Mr Loophole’ himself, Nick Freeman.

> Bizarre ‘Young Reporter’ anti-cycling opinion piece by schoolkid bemoans “plagues of two-wheeled vermin” on Box Hill, making them late for music lessons 

It’s been a while – over three months in fact – since Freeman, a lawyer famous for obtaining not guilty verdicts for celebrities charged with driving offences, last popped up on our timeline, calling for cyclists to be required to fit registration plates on their bikes, or be subject to speed limits, and penalty points… And not so much on phone use behind the wheel, but you get the point.

Mr Loophole bicycle number plate debate (Jeremy Vine on 5)

> Mr Loophole makes renewed call for cyclist number plates, but gets shut down by Jeremy Vine show panel

But this week, he’s back doing what he does best, appearing in the Express to complain about “kamikaze” cyclists dangerously “overtaking and undertaking” motorists in new 20mph zones “with impunity”.

The widespread implementation of 20mph zones, Freeman says, is a “contradiction in terms” because it doesn’t apply to cyclists – who are constantly zooming about at over 20mph of course (now, don’t bring up time trials, okay?).

Oh, and he also slotted in his personal favourite – arguing that any legislation to require cyclists to adhere to speed limits “will lack teeth if cyclists remain anonymous”, and that any road traffic law which “applies to motor vehicles apply to cyclists and e-bikes too.”

All the hits, then.

Mr Loophole two abreast cyclists video (Twitter/Nick Freeman)

> “We warned that voting for these parties would lead to anti-car measures”: 20mph speed limit plan to “really encourage more cycle journeys” slammed as “nuts” and “extremely worrying”

“There is so much fanfare about how roads with 20mph limits will be so much safer,” Freeman said in the Express. “But how on earth can cyclists safely share road space with cars on 20mph roads when those on bikes don’t have to observe the limit?

“How can you have a speed limit which claims to protect all, yet which doesn’t apply to certain road users? It is a contradiction in terms.

“Because of this disparity, we see legally compliant cars crawling along at 20mph while kamikaze cyclists dangerously undertake and overtake these vehicles with impunity – because there is no law to stop them from doing so.

“How on earth is this supposed to advance the cause of road safety?”

Ah yes, that classic dichotomy – a motorist travelling at 20mph is “crawling along”, while a cyclist riding at the same speed is “dangerous”. Might want to think that one through a bit more, Nick.

> "Far more pleasant for walkers and cyclists": 20mph speed limit analysis hailed "astonishing", with drivers' journeys just 45 seconds longer

And it’s not just those pesky kamikaze cyclists motorists have to be worried about in the 20mph zones.

“At present drivers in a 20mph zone are constantly having to focus on their speedometer which is a distraction in itself,” Freeman adds.

“But they also have the additional responsibility of looking out for kamikaze cyclists. It’s such a dangerous situation and one the government either overlooked or didn’t consider when drafting legislation for bikes and cyclists on our roads.

“The number of accidents involving cyclists and pedestrians is increasing exponentially – which is why there is an urgent need to legislate to ensure cyclists obey the speed limit.

“Roads with a 20mph limit are already causing massive congestion whilst motorists are distracted by the constant need to brake. Allowing cyclists to ignore the limit simply makes a dangerous situation so much worse.”

Number plate

> "Dangerous" cyclists "entirely unaccountable" and should have number plates, argues former Met Police chief

And don’t worry, he’s about to mention number plates now.

"Any legislation will lack teeth if cyclists remain anonymous,” Freeman says of the means of clamping down on ‘speeding’ cyclists. “They must be required to display a form of identification – say a registered tabard or registration plate – and have a licence or insurance.

“Otherwise it is hard for those who break the law to be caught. In other words, make the same road traffic law which applies to motor vehicles apply to cyclists and e-bikes too.”

Of course, Mr Loophole has been a longstanding proponent of cycling number plates – to no great effect – with his 2021 petition on the issue limping across the 10,000-signature threshold for an official response from the government, only to be decidedly rejected by the Department for Transport (a stance consistently repeated since then).

But, sure if this latest campaign fails, he can always get a job as a ‘young reporter’ at This is Local London, right?

05 March 2024, 10:37
2024 Jonas Vingegaard Tirreno-Adriatico TT helmet (@vismaleaseabike on X)
The great garish helmet poll: What classic sci-fi inspired, aero gains hunting, style-be-damned time trial lid is your favourite?

In what I’m now suspecting to be a calculated move, designed to take the attention away from rival Tadej Pogačar’s otherworldly, fear-inducing ride at the weekend, Visma-Lease a Bike and Giro’s startling new helmet design has dominated discussion in the cycling world – for better or worse – over the past 24 hours.

> Is Jonas Vingegaard’s latest time trial helmet one step too far?

But considering the trajectory of helmet design – both in time trials, and increasingly worryingly, on the road – in recent years, should we really be surprised when a team rocks up with something more closely resembling what a bored child might draw at the back of class than your standard, mid-noughties pointy-tipped aero lid?

So, ahead of today’s team time trial at Paris-Nice – when we’ll be treated to the sight of those helmets, and their illustrious, aesthetically questionable predecessors, all lined up in a row of seven, like they’re about to invade an alien planet – I thought I’d run a small poll.

Of all the mad TT helmet designs of the past few years, which is your favourite?

Stefan Bissegger UAE TT (GCN+)

Is it the OG of mad, bad out-there design, the POC Tempor?

Geraint Thomas gilet (Eurosport/GCN+)

Or Kask’s ski goggle-esque visor, with oversized wings (and superfluous gilet as an optional extra – thanks, Geraint)?

Florian Senechal 2022 Tour de Frane (GCN)

Or maybe it’s Spesh’s groundbreaking bucket and snood combo?

Uno-X's Sweet Protection helmet at Volta ao Algarve (Cor Vos)

Though maybe your loyalties lie with the helmet that walked so Visma could run: Uno-X and Sweet Protection’s mega flared bumblebee look and bonkers middle vent (for some reason)?

2024 Jonas Vingegaard Tirreno-Adriatico TT helmet (@vismaleaseabike on X)

Or has Giro’s “innovative” – and one sole rider in the top 20 of a Tirreno TT achieving – design stolen your heart?

2024 Bahrain victorious Rudy Project tt helmet

Or maybe, just maybe… it’s Bahrain-Victorious and Rudy’s new winged effort, cruelly overshadowed by their Visma counterparts yesterday?

Of course, your choice can be made based on aesthetics, aero capabilities, or just that you prefer your time trial helmets to be as mad as possible. Get voting!

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05 March 2024, 16:28
The people have spoken – and they’ve told the helmet designers and aero nerds to rein it in a bit

Who needs wind tunnels, months of engineering and testing, and the real-world results of a Paris-Nice team time trial, when you have the views of a smattering  of road.cc live blog readers?

Helmet design poll

Though if the tech nerds are still desperate, of course, I know of a particular time trial look that is surely due a comeback and would keep the punters happy at the same time:

Well, they don’t call him the King for nothing…

05 March 2024, 15:48
Paris-Nice: UAE Team Emirates win the battle of the helmets, as late afternoon showers open up unexpected gaps during hilly team time trial

Now before we get to the results of this afternoon’s ‘first across the line counts’ Paris-Nice team time trial – the kind of modern cycling innovation lost in the recent news cycle – first things first. And no, I’m not talking about helmets.

During Eurosport’s coverage, I was shocked – shocked – to learn that Rob Hatch, while chatting about the online discourse surrounding Giro’s new, potentially soon to be outlawed helmet, pronounces ‘memes’ as ‘mayms’.

I don’t think I’ll ever recover.

Anyway, back to the racing, where UAE Team Emirates, and their slightly bulky but largely inoffensive helmets, took advantage of the lighter skies and drier roads during their hilly 27km trip around Auxerre to secure the win, 15 seconds ahead of Jayco-AlUla and 20 clear of POC-wearing EF Education EasyPost, catapulting Brandon McNulty into the yellow jersey.

A late afternoon downpour meant that the last few teams were forced to deal with some wet roads on the descent back into town, having a clear effect on the rankings, and opening up potentially bigger gaps than were expected between the GC favourites.

The rain appeared to have the biggest impact on Primož Roglič and his new Bora-Hansgrohe team, who despite crossing the first checkpoint in second, just three seconds off the pace (with the Slovenian drilling it on the front in what was then dry conditions), finished in Auxerre 54 seconds down on UAE, and in 11th.

Likewise, Remco Evenepoel’s Soudal-Quick Step team led the way at the first checkpoint with almost a full complement of riders, but were forced to settle for fourth, 22 seconds down.

While Ineos Grenadiers – who put Josh Tarling under pressure halfway through, so you know the pace was high – finished in fifth on the same time as Soudal, Visma-Lease a Bike continued their trend of putting in devastatingly average performances in their new helmets, finishing sixth, 38 seconds slower than UAE Team Emirates.

And the owners of the other new helmet on the block, Bahrain-Victorious? They managed tenth, 42 seconds down.

Maybe there’s something to be said about traditional designs…

05 March 2024, 15:11
2024 Visma Lease a bike Giro Aerohead 2.0
Uh oh, here comes the “in-depth analysis”: UCI says it will review helmet design rules following Visma-Lease a Bike controversy and trend for “ever more radical designs” – as Specialized snood set to be outlawed from April

And there it is.

Never one for waiting until the technological horse had bolted before shutting the regulatory door (promising to look into hookless rims “as a matter of urgency” only after Thomas De Gendt’s tyre exploded at the UAE Tour being one notable recent example of that fashionable lateness), the UCI has woken up, stretched, made a coffee, checked the morning papers and their coverage of Visma-Lease a Bike’s revolutionary helmet, and then decided to release a statement about it.

Promising an “in-depth analysis of the regulations governing the design and use of time trial helmets”, the governing body’s statement seeks to clarify its position amid “ever more radical designs”, noting that while Visma and Bahrain’s latest helmet looks are currently legal, they raise “a significant issue concerning the current and wider trend in time trial helmet design, which focuses more on performance than the primary function of a helmet, namely to ensure the safety of the wearer in the event of a fall”.

Oh, and while they’re at it, the UCI has also announced that Specialized’s infamous head sock will be banned from 2 April, in a move that will certainly annoy the Manchester City team of the early 2010s.

2024 Visma Lease a Bike Giro Aerohead 2.0 side profile (@vismaleaseabike on X)

Read more: > UCI to review design rules in light of Team Visma-Lease a Bike helmet and “ever more radical designs”

All these attempts by the UCI to clamp down on groundbreaking, slightly weird, and quite ugly tech – have I travelled back in time to the mid-1990s?

05 March 2024, 14:41
Jasper Philipsen cruises to Tirreno-Adriatico sprint win ahead of Tim Merlier

It may not have been the most straightforward of opening road stages to Tirreno-Adriatico, courtesy of the litany of pinch points, crashes, and spots of argy-bargy during the run-in to Follonica, but boy did Jasper Philipsen make it look oh so easy.

After a series of crashes, one of which saw Chris Froome awkwardly hold his wrist, and an ill-timed mechanical for Mark Cavendish, Soudal-Quick Step’s in-form sprinter Tim Merlier decided to take matters into his own hands by divebombing into the crucial final corner with 250m to go.

Unfortunately for the big Belgian, the presence of Uno-X’s rapidly fading lead-out in that very corner ever so slightly robbed him of the speed required to carry his surge to the line.

Merlier continued to carry out his tactical plan, however, but soon became resigned to acting as an impromptu, if very fast, lead-out for Alpecin’s double denim-clad Philipsen, who burst clear for a comfortable first victory of the season, as Merlier clung on for second, a lightyear behind in sprinting terms.

Meanwhile, even further behind the nonchalantly explosive Philipsen, a sea of calm amid the chaos, Biniam Girmay took third – but the spot of bumping and barging with Axel Zingle, and Girmay’s clear deviation across the Frenchman’s line, has prompted the commissaires to relegate the Eritrean. Cycling VAR working quickly and effectively – who knew?

05 March 2024, 14:25
Let the hyperbole flow: More groundbreaking tech news as Look unveil “lightest power meter pedal on the market”, as Rapha releases its “fastest ever jersey”
2024 Look Keo Power pedal - 1

> Look’s new Keo Blade Power is “the lightest power meter pedal on the market”

Rapha Pro Team Aero Jersey hero

> Rapha unveils "fastest jersey" it's ever produced as part of latest Pro Team collection

Well, they’re not going to say their shiny new product isn’t the lightest, fastest, coolest thing ever, are they?

05 March 2024, 13:57
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Gravel series Grinduro offers free entries to those affected by bike industry lay-offs

As lay-offs continue to hit the struggling bike industry, especially in the wake of Mike Ashley’s purchase of Wiggle, gravel series Grinduro has come up with a “small gesture” to those recently made redundant – by offering them a free entry to any Grinduro event.

“As we all know, the bike industry has been hit by hard times recently. Many of those good folks have been on the receiving end of a redundancy notice. Some of our closest friends who have previously staffed booths at Grinduro events in the past are unfortunately now out of work,” Grinduro, established in 2015 and now owned by UK-based Northern Consultancy Co., said.

“As a small organisation, we wish we could do more to help than just send them virtual hugs. So, we did some thinking. What can we do? Many of these guys and gals have stood on booths on their weekends, watching others ride, no doubt wishing they were out there too on their bikes.

“It’s a small gesture, but Grinduro wants to say thank you to those industry folks recently made redundant by offering them a free entry to Grinduro. Any Grinduro.”

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Laid-off industry workers can claim their free ticket for any Grinduro event – with the series set to visit Germany, France, Italy, the US, and Japan this year – by emailing industry [at] grinduro.com, and providing proof of their involvement in the cycling industry by sharing a business card or a LinkedIn profile, and a rough date of when they were made redundant.

“We don’t wanna be nosey, but you can bet someone will try it on for a free ticket,” the series said. “We look forward to seeing you on the trails and the dance floor!”

05 March 2024, 13:23
“A great result for our enforcement teams”: Cyclist ordered to pay £500 for riding bicycle through town centre

In yet another episode in the long-running battle between the local authority’s “zero-tolerance” policy and people riding bikes in Grimsby’s pedestrianised zones, a North East Lincolnshire councillor has hailed a “great result for our enforcement teams” after a 60-year-old cyclist was fined and ordered to pay £500 after breaching a Public Space Protection Order (PSPO) by cycling through the town centre.

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Read more: > Cyclist ordered to pay £500 for riding bicycle through town centre as councillor claims hefty fine is “great result for our enforcement teams”

05 March 2024, 12:54
And in truly shocking, abhorrent, earth-shattering pro cycling news…

Groupama-FDJ meetings taking place in English? Groupama-FDJ? FDJ, FDJ? The team of Marc Madiot, Thibaut Pinot, beautiful Tricolore national champs kits, and emotional roadside breakdowns?

In English? English?!

Thomas De Gendt’s right, we should all just pack up and head home.

The game’s gone…

05 March 2024, 12:31
Laura Kenny with Rio Omnium gold (Photo by Bryn Lennon, Getty Images via Britishcycling.org_.uk).jpg
Laura Kenny has “slim chance” of competing at Paris Olympics, says British Cycling’s performance director

Laura Kenny, Britain’s most successful female Olympian, has only a “slim chance” racing at this summer’s Paris Olympics, according to British Cycling’s performance director Stephen Park.

The 31-year-old gave birth to a second child, Monty, in July last year, and has not raced since the 2022 Commonwealth Games.

Kenny is also continuing to train on her own, away from the rest of GB’s track endurance squad, and does not currently have the UCI points required for Olympic qualification, with April’s Track Nations Cup in Canada her last opportunity to secure a potential spot at the Paris Games.

> “Everyone thinks I’m absolutely mad, but if I don’t try I’ll never know”: Laura Kenny targets 2024 Paris Olympics return

“She has a slim chance of being in Paris,” Park told reporters at the Manchester velodrome today.

“The first challenge is for her to be in a position where she feels that she is going to be competitive, and therefore put herself and if you like put her hand up to be selected for events that will allow her to qualify herself as well as qualify in the team.

“Both of those are fairly significant hurdles because you need to be able to get to the right events on an individual level to qualify, and secondly she’s got to be competitive in a team that’s more competitive than it's ever been.”

Laura Kenny Alex Broadway:SWpix.com

(Alex Broadway, SWpix.com)

Nevertheless, Park says the five-time Olympic gold medallist is “optimistic” about returning to form in time for October’s world championships.

“The time is approaching fairly quickly where she’s going to have to be pretty clear as to whether she wants [to race at the Olympics], otherwise she’ll perhaps miss the opportunity,” GB’s performance director added.

“The first big piece is about her having the confidence, nobody knows better than Laura about what you need to do to win a medal in women’s track.

“I’ve got no doubt that if she decided that she was going to absolutely put her mind to it and felt that she was physically and mentally in the right place, she would do. [While] she’s getting herself back into that place, she doesn’t want to be in the situation where she is affecting the training of the others as well, she’s really conscious of the progress they’re making too.”

Laura Kenny and Katie Archibald win Madison gold in Tokyo (Copyright Alex Broadway, SWpix.com).JPG

(Alex Broadway, SWpix.com)

In November, Kenny told Team GB’s The Journey documentary series that she remained intent on securing her spot in Paris, for what would be her fourth Olympics.

“I obviously want to compete in the next Olympics,” she said. “I know everyone thinks I’m absolutely mad in saying that, but if I don’t try, I’ll never know.

“I would hate to be sat here thinking, ‘well I never even gave it a go, to see whether I could make it possible’.”

05 March 2024, 12:12
Breaking News: Visma-Lease a Bike time trialist crashes into building on London’s Oxford Street – Oh, wait…

Alright, I promise that’s the last one… Actually, I don’t promise anything.

05 March 2024, 11:39
Cycle lane parking in Belfast (credit - Dominic Bryan, Twitter)
Belfast still has just two miles of protected cycling infrastructure, report finds – despite majority of residents wanting to cycle more and drive less, as number of motorists in the city soars

It’ll come as no surprise to regular readers of this live blog that Belfast – a city where bins and parked cars clog up ‘protected’ cycle lanes, where the lack of change in cycling casualty figures over the past decade has been branded “shameful”, and where exasperated councillors plea with the government to devolve powers to them so they can “bloody” install some cycling infrastructure – boasts just two miles of segregated cycle lanes.

Sustrans’ Walking and Cycling Index for 2023 has revealed that the number of protected bike lanes in Belfast has not changed in five years – despite the majority of the city’s residents being in favour of more segregated infrastructure and dealing with the car-dominance and pavement parking that defines Belfast’s streets.

> “If they can’t build cycle lanes, devolve bloody powers to us and we’ll do it”: Belfast Council slams Northern Ireland government’s “joke” delivery of cycling infrastructure – as just 2.8km of bike lanes installed in two years

In August, Green councillor Anthony Flynn was scathing about the government’s lack of delivery on its cycle network plans, which he described as “incredibly frustrating” and “ridiculous”.

“With £700,000 they have delivered 2.8 kilometres in the last two years. And on another project £245,000 on an active travel funding upgrade,” Flynn said.

“I am exasperated with that, to be honest. We had the Belfast Cycling Network Delivery Plan two years ago – there was an £11 million budget, and again we are left with little to no delivery, which is incredibly frustrating.”

Cavehill Road, Belfast (credit - Sustrans)

> No change in cycling casualties over 10 years in Northern Ireland called “shameful” by Cycling UK and should be “wake-up call” for decision makers

And according to Sustrans’ latest survey, thanks to this active travel inertia perpetuated by the political standoff at Stormont, active travel numbers have dropped by two per cent since 2021, while driving numbers have risen from 44 per cent to 51 per cent.

However, a third of those surveyed said they would like to drive less, while 47 per cent said they wanted to cycle more and 65 per cent said they would support more protected infrastructure in the city.

Meanwhile, in a result that will shock controversialists across the UK and on GB News, 77 per cent of Belfast residents said they’d also be in favour of the creation of 20-minute neighbourhoods in the city.

“In the 10th year of the Index, we are delighted to be able to spotlight the realities and ambitions of the people of Belfast regarding active travel,” Claire Pollock, head of Sustrans in Northern Ireland, said in a statement following the index’s publication.

“The responses to the independent survey show that the majority of people would like to see less car dominance and more active travel options available.

“Investment in such infrastructure would go a long way towards tackling physical and mental health issues, as well as cut carbon emissions in a cost-effective way which would benefit everyone living in, working in and visiting Belfast.”

New barriers vandalised on Belfast cycle lane (Steve Roy, Twitter)

> “Stop victim blaming”: Government’s New Year’s call for all road users to “share responsibility” for safety slammed, as new figures reveal cyclists, pedestrians, and motorcyclists account for over half of all road deaths in 2023

The politician responsible for investing in this infrastructure, Sinn Féin’s John O’Dowd, said he “welcomed” the report, and that “it is encouraging to hear that more people would like to get out of their car and make the switch to active travel journeys.

“I plan to turn that into a reality by investing in more and better active travel infrastructure. Infrastructure is the starting point for a more prosperous and productive economy; as well as a better quality of life for our communities.

“I want to create people-centred cities, towns and villages which look and feel cleaner and greener and that create a thriving, healthy environment where people can live, work, shop, visit and invest.”

If I’m honest, John, I won’t be holding my breath…

05 March 2024, 11:14
Cyclists slam council’s “biased survey” asking “how much of a nuisance and danger e-bikes” are to residents

A London council has been accused of running the “most biased survey ever” and “completely wasting time” on an anti-cyclist “PR exercise”, the backlash coming after the local authority shared a short online survey asking residents for their views on “how much of a nuisance and danger e-bikes and e-scooters” are.

2023 Volt Infinity-Shimano STEPS e-bike - riding 1

Read more: > Cyclists slam council’s “biased survey” asking “how much of a nuisance and danger e-bikes” are to residents

No biased surveys around here, anyway…

05 March 2024, 10:20
“It looks like discrimination”: Disabled cyclists’ campaign group calls relaxing of planning laws to allow bike storage units in front gardens “very worrying”, if larger designs for adapted cycles are not allowed

Some reaction to the government’s plans to relax planning laws to allow bike sheds in front garden, which disabled cycling charity Wheels for Wellbeing has warned could possibly lead to “discrimination” against those with larger, adapted cycles unable to fit within the planned permitted measurements:

Bike shed (Bluum)

> Disabled cyclists’ campaign group calls relaxing of planning laws to allow bike storage units in front gardens “very worrying”, if larger designs for adapted cycles are not allowed

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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“Otherwise it is hard for those who break the law to be caught. In other words, make the same road traffic law which applies to motor vehicles apply to cyclists and e-bikes too.”

Yes, numberplates are why the 85% of drivers who ignore 20 mph limits are so often getting caught, of course.

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Hirsute replied to Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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BCP are looking at 20 mph limits but Dorset Police say "it will not be able to supply additional resources to monitor and enforce any speed reduction".

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24155632.20mph-speed-limits-happe...

And any fines are a stealth tax !

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/24163385.letter-20mph-limit-steal...

 

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john_smith replied to Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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It's interesting point though. If everyone were made to wear a number plate at all times, then no crime would go undetected or unsolved.

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andystow replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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john_smith wrote:

It's interesting point though. If everyone were made to wear a number plate at all times, then no crime would go undetected or unsolved.

Except for the crime of not wearing the number plate?

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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john_smith wrote:

It's interesting point though. If everyone were made to wear a number plate at all times, then no crime would go undetected or unsolved.

Wait - what?

So ... a tree falling in a forest with nobody around would make a sound ... if it had a numberplate?

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john_smith replied to chrisonabike | 8 months ago
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Correct. That would indeed follow logically from what I wrote--provided making a sound while falling in a forest is a crime.

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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Gosh!

But now I'm wondering - there are many prominently numbered things - bank accounts, cars for example, even some people...  And there are definitely crimes involving them on the books.  And yet... somehow the logic doesn't seem to follow the same way it does for people or trees?  As in there are crimes which appear to be undetected (unless you count e.g. a traffic survey as "detection", or observing cars on pavements) and there are certainly ones unsolved?

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john_smith replied to chrisonabike | 8 months ago
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That's presumably because the people who committed them weren't wearing number plates. The fact that the accounts etc. are numbered is beside the point. It's the perpetrators of the alleged crimes that you need to be able to identify. 

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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I think the snag here is mostly in the "alleged crimes".  Not infrequently the identity is not the part in question.  Although the police sometimes seem to have a view similar to that you're suggesting [1] [2] e.g. because people don't have numbers permanently affixed therefore they aren't going to try to put two and two together.

"Accidents" happen, it's traffic.

Albeit from a long time ago but one I just discovered and posted on another thread - apparently it was worth charging something, but only something which could be assessed as punishable to the tune of 35 quid.  The story is very brief but an air of mystery seems to pervade the CPS...

Still not quite sure about the detecting point you're making.  I just stuck a number on myself and committed ten crimes.  Or maybe I didn't - but presumably you can tell?

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john_smith replied to chrisonabike | 8 months ago
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I wasn't really making any point. I'm at home with a cold/flu and a bit bored.

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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john_smith wrote:

I wasn't really making any point. I'm at home with a cold/flu and a bit bored.

Fair enough, s'what this place is for.  Bit of a tedious day myself.  Better soon!

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john_smith replied to chrisonabike | 8 months ago
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Thanks.

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wtjs replied to Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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Yes, numberplates are why the 85% of drivers who ignore 20 mph limits are so often getting caught, of course

And vital they are, too! Otherwise motorists could go for many years without paying road tax, or having the vehicle checked for safety and could park for many hours at a time outside the Eagle and Child pub only 100 yards from Garstang Police station, with Lancashire Constabulary baffled as to how to identify the owner and driver

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Hirsute replied to wtjs | 8 months ago
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23rd Sept 23

Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):

  • Offside Front Lower Suspension arm ball joint likely to become detached (5.3.4 (a) (ii))
  • Nearside Front Wheel bearing play so excessive that directional control is impaired (5.1.3 (a) (ii))
  • Nearside Rear Tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (5.2.3 (e))

Repair immediately (major defects):

  • Horn not working (7.7 (a))
  • Front Windscreen washer not working (3.5 (a))
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john_smith replied to Hirsute | 8 months ago
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Is there any context to that?

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Hirsute replied to john_smith | 8 months ago
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The context is the post I replied to which contains a photo of a vehicle.

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john_smith replied to Hirsute | 8 months ago
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There is presumably a bigger context. Otherwise what we have is a seemingly random picture of a vehicle and a list of defects, which might or might not be related to that vehicle.

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wtjs replied to wtjs | 8 months ago
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Spot the Difference Quiz!

It's now over 7 months since WU59 UMH was first spotted and reported in July 23, so what has changed? Lancashire Constabulary officers are ineligible for the quiz as they have already shown themselves unable to spot the most obvious and key difference. Bonus points for spotting the recent 'MOT-fail' defect (I know!!- does anybody care in Lancashire?) on the rear of the super-offender's vehicle

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wtjs replied to wtjs | 8 months ago
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Spot the Difference Quiz!

The answers are: stainless steel 'roll-bars', rear window sign indicating company name and phone numbers, at least 2 different dents on the right rear bumper, and the latest defect is the smashed right rear light cluster

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Hirsute replied to wtjs | 8 months ago
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Smashed rear light due to Nearside Front Wheel bearing play so excessive that directional control is impaired.

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stonojnr replied to Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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Its unusual enough to have made a local paper 70+ miles away from where it happened https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/24156596.ipswich-jaguar-driver-senten...

The interesting thing about Lea Bridge Road is that's part of the Dunwich Dynamo route out of London.

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qwerty360 | 8 months ago
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I can vaguely accept arguments about dangerous overtakes in 20mph zones.

 

But the fix for that is easy - ban overtaking.

 

Dangerous overtakes happen both ways. And there are an awful lot of drivers who on the one hand think - bike = slow = must overtake, while thinking on the other that they don't need to allow as much/any margin for error because it is a 20mph zone so they are going slowly...

Licence plates etc is difficult, but I do have one suggestion - if we accept a tabard linked to rider not bicycle, then we should insist on a second removable plate, linked to driver not car. That would remove a lot of the 'I don't know who was driving' and the need for NIP within 14 days. Yes, having to remove the plate when you park to prevent it being stolen is annoying, but so is having to deal with a tabard when driving.

 

If you don't want this then it should be same as motorbikes; plate from only one direction with strict rules for demanding who the rider was and minimal penalties for failure to identify them...

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Hirsute replied to qwerty360 | 8 months ago
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The cost of introducing it would be astronomical.

Also it would be easily circumvented in the way that a large number of drivers 'forget' to clean their plates during winter.

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qwerty360 replied to Hirsute | 8 months ago
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I fully agree it will never happen;

 

But if we are going to do it by plates it should be proportional;

So plate linked to bike not rider;

Proportional equivalent to NIP. So either given out immediately or within X days; So that would be what, 1 day to issue instead of 14 to be vaguely proportional to cars.

 

And a proportional penalty for failure to identify; No points system, so proportional fine - so up to £100 vs up to £1k...

 

What, the police and courts refuse to run cases where the maximum available penalty is a rounding error on the admin costs of prosecuting someone and the paperwork is near impossible to do within time limits...

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chrisonabike replied to qwerty360 | 8 months ago
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Ban overtaking you say? That is a thing on some streets in NL already*. No wonder that country is turning into a hellscape.

Even more incredible - on some roads *without* cyclists this is done for the safety of motorists! Try explaining that one in the local media...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtaking#Nationwide_ban_on_overtaking_...

* Although that is apparently legally distinct from marking something a "cycle street" ("fietsstraat"):

https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/dont-misunderstand-...

https://mobypeople-nl.translate.goog/blogs/fietsstraat-wat-is-het-en-wel...

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Bungle_52 replied to chrisonabike | 8 months ago
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If the 20mph has traffic calming overtaking is banned already. HC rule 153

"Traffic-calming measures. On some roads there are features such as road humps, chicanes and narrowings which are intended to slow you down. When you approach these features reduce your speed. Allow cyclists and motorcyclists room to pass through them. Maintain a reduced speed along the whole of the stretch of road within the calming measures. Give way to oncoming road users if directed to do so by signs. You should not overtake other moving road users while in these areas."

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chrisonabike replied to Bungle_52 | 8 months ago
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Ah - good point - and that is sensible.

Although I think physical road changes are a good way of changing behaviour, I was reminded recently that even this can be stuffed up by poor design / construction or heavy use.  Image shows an Edinburgh example of a road hump (with narrowing) which has almost been flattened.  Obviously by the vast number of heavy bikes...

*pedantry* "should not" in the Highway Code doesn't generally indicate specific law - that would be "must not" - so not quite "banned".  Although if you're doing this I think you could be threatened with "careless or inconsiderate driving"?

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essexian | 8 months ago
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Oh.... I misread your poll.... I thought it said "Capes."

Now that would be great for sponsors... not so good for the riders speed!

 

 

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the little onion replied to essexian | 8 months ago
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NO CAPES

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PRSboy | 8 months ago
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Can the media please stop going to Nick Freeman for road safety advice.  This is a man, as we all know, who makes a living getting dangerous drivers off charges on technicalities so they can can continue to drive.

He does not care at all about road safety at all.

Could Nick Freeman act for a cyclist, were they to be done for wanton and furious riding in a 20 limit?  Asking for a friend...

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