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Not all wands are equal, I suspect.

The ones here in Bristol are lightweight plastic hollow cylinders, which screw (a half turn) into a base which is (AFAICS) melted onto the road surface, not bolted.

The wands can easily come out if hit by a motor vehicle, punched by a passing drunk (I've seen it!), or if its particularly windy weather.

I personally wish that the council would work on the assumption that motorists are skilled enough to not hit them, and as a consequence have the confidence to put more more rigid and fixed ones in place.

Could be worse ... Canadian hockey fans have been known to set fire to things when they win the Stanley Cup. 

Or when they lose it. 

Sorry to hear that.

So the strategy is to give in to criminals in advance, rather than providing safe bike infrastructure and using the criminal law against anyone who commits criminal damage?

No the strategy is work out how places like London or the Netherlands deliver lots of miles of protected cycle lanes without a flappy bollard in sight, and go do that kind of stuff instead.

Alright smart-arse. If you'd read the European Cyclists' Federation Best Practice Guide, you'd know that light infrastructure can be a useful stopgap measure which is both cheap and quick to implement, and can provide a good level of safety and comfort (p27).

The costs of this infrastructure are around 10% of more permanent physical separation.

1) Your original point was that you have to give in to vandals, which is the wrong approach. You then moved the goalposts in your second comment.

2) It's very easy to be critical of cycle infrastructure that isn't perfect, but if you were actually interested in the subject you would know that light segregation does serve a useful purpose; and transport planners should not have to anticipate the effect of football hooligans ripping up their work.

To be fair, they're only throwing wands around rather than smashing anything up.  It makes me nostalgic for the days when people set fire to cars.

Ah the good old days. 

They still punch/kick police horses pretty regulalry though - good to see the "football fan" keeping traditions alive  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-53610926  

markieteeee wrote:

To be fair, they're only throwing wands around rather than smashing anything up.  It makes me nostalgic for the days when people set fire to cars.

Give it time, there's still Sunday !

Whilst completely missing the point that their club goalkeeper and certified legend in their eyes is one Kasper Schmeicel, the Danish national keeper.

Fond memories of a Portsmouth vs Southampton derby, where Pompey won and smashed up their own city and attacked their own matchday police. It's this sort of behaviour that's a big part of why I no longer go to footie.

To be fair: this happens in Barcelona all the time. It also doesn't seem to matter if they win or loose.

Definitely not only the English ...

https://www.rt.com/sport/527630-montreal-canadiens-nhl-hockey-riots/

Erm - you don't need to - we're already in it.

4th I thought.

1st started Mar 2020, 2nd Sept 2020, we started to come down and then Kent started another Dec 2020 and now this one. 

4th, 5th, whatever, look forward to 1000s of extra cases

Yep- there is a big gender disparity in the latest data. Basically, a big spike in pub-going drunk men catching covid

It's not just football induced madness. You should have seen the unmasked press of spectators at the Otley Crit. (Much better behaved in all other respects though.)

pockstone wrote:

 (Much better behaved in all other respects though.)

Right, so they didn't go around ripping up football stadia then?

Missed opportunity!

youngoldbloke wrote:

So much for lockdown. July was the month the British decided that football and fun was more important than Covid 19, so f**k it. Look forward to the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th waves.

No - you're missing the point.

You see: all of those 60,000 spectators at Wembley had done lateral flow tests which were perfectly accurate, and none of them had lied about their result out of fear of missing out, and they were all probably in the same household anyway.  Or something...

brooksby wrote:

youngoldbloke wrote:

So much for lockdown. July was the month the British decided that football and fun was more important than Covid 19, so f**k it. Look forward to the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th waves.

No - you're missing the point.

You see: all of those 60,000 spectators at Wembley had done lateral flow tests which were perfectly accurate, and none of them had lied about their result out of fear of missing out, and they were all probably in the same household anyway.  Or something...

It's not about the 60,000 in the stadium, tested and (semi)outdoors, but the 100s of thousands in pubs across the country in enclosed spaces shouting, chanting and cheering that is driving the surge.

The view has been taken that now the vulnerable are protected fewer restrictions on peoples lives are desirable, and I think the majority of the country is behind that.

Theres been no evidence pubs are at all responsible for the surges at any stage during this whole pandemic, despite being the easy target to blame, the governments data for restricting pubs was based only on analysis of one club in South Korea I believe.

They are likely the most safest place to be around other people given the rules/restrictions they follow.

It will be the many millions more people mingling in each others homes that's the primary cause of virus spread