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Iain Duncan Smith wants cyclists to know "they're not above the law", makes latest call for new laws to punish dangerous cycling

Former Conservative leader claims legislation will not deter more people from cycling and insists "small minority" should recognise "that there are responsibilities"...

Iain Duncan Smith, the politician who spearheaded the campaign to pass new dangerous cycling laws such as causing death by dangerous cycling, has again appealed for new legislation — the Conservative MP suggesting he has spoken with Labour's front bench since the election and "they're thinking about what they can do with this".

Speaking to BBC Radio 4 this morning, Duncan Smith repeated his desire for an amendment to the Criminal Justice Bill, arguing for legislation so "cyclists understand that they're not above the law" and that "a small minority" are made to "recognise that there are responsibilities" that they can be prosecuted for.

Sir Iain Duncan Smith (Parliamentary portrait)

An amendment introducing such changes had looked almost certain to pass earlier in the summer, however the general election being called suddenly by Rishi Sunak meant there was not sufficient time for the legislation to pass. During the campaign, Labour said it would support new laws "to protect people from dangerous cycling", although little has been heard on the matter since the party formed a government. 

> House of Lords to debate cycling "safety issues"

Now, Duncan Smith has repeated his calls for the amendments to be revisited, although his comments on Radio 4 appeared to lack a complete understanding of the Highway Code and relevant legislation.

"We put forward an amendment which had cross-party support before the last election but sadly, of course, we had an early election and the amendment fell," he said. "The idea is to try and bring cyclists, both electric cycles and also pedal cycles into the Highway Code so that the laws and the responsibilities that exist in the Highway Code exist to cyclists, which at the moment don't really, and we've had a number of deaths."

Cyclists are already part of the Highway Code and advised to adhere to it, although the Code in itself is not the law. Of course, many of its points are backed up by relevant laws, which is more the wording it appears Duncan Smith was attempting to use.

Cyclists in London 1 - copyright Simon MacMichael

"We had, I think, between 2018 and 2020 [2018-2022, not 2020], something like just under 2,000 pedestrian casualties of which nine were fatal and nearly 700 actually were serious injuries. In fact, there was one when I was bringing it in, a woman in Regent's Park who got knocked down by a cyclist that was over the speed limit and that was a pedal cycle, that wasn't even an electric cycle and we've seen many of these electric cycles going past us at incredible speeds."

> Does there really need to be a law for causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless or inconsiderate cycling?

The case Duncan Smith referred to was the much-publicised death of Hilda Griffiths back in 2022. Despite little media or political coverage at the time, a coroner's inquest in May of this year hearing that the cyclist involved would not be prosecuted sparked headlines across the written and broadcast press.

Brian Fitzgerald was riding in a group at a speed of between 25mph and 29mph at the time of the fatal crash. The speed limit in the park is 20mph, but the Metropolitan Police confirmed that it does not apply to people riding bicycles (as is the case throughout the country), and that the case had been closed because there was "insufficient evidence for a real prospect of conviction".

Outer Circle near Hanover Terrace (via Google Street View)

While incidents such as that one attract much political and media interest, the Department for Transport statistics still show that pedestrians are far more likely to be killed in a collision involving the driver of a car than involving someone riding a bike. Between 2018 and 2022, nine pedestrian fatalities and 657 cases of pedestrians suffering serious injuries were reported in road collisions involving a pedal cycle.

By contrast, in that same time period, 1,165 pedestrians were killed in collisions involving the driver of a car, while there were 20,557 reported serious injuries.

DfT pedestrian casualty statistics

That added context to the pedestrian casualty figures cited by Duncan Smith was not mentioned during the Radio 4 segment, the former Conservative leader continuing: "I'm a motorcyclist. I had to pass huge tests and restrictions, all sorts of things to understand what speed was and to understand also how dangerous it is to exceed the speed limit and none of these cyclists who are now on pretty powerful bikes (referring to e-bike riders) have to do any of that, pass any tests or carry any protective equipment, so it's getting them within the Highway Code so that dangerous cycling or cycling that causes death or injury are prosecutable offences and for cyclists to understand that they're not above the law."

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At this point the presenter put the point to Duncan Smith that there are fears such legislation could have an effect of deterring people from cycling, something that would see missed positive gains in health and reducing motor traffic.

"Well, there are a group of people that constantly say that 'if you do this, people won't cycle' but my answer to that is — I don't think most people that cycle cycle with the view that they don't care about the law or care about other people's ability to go about their daily lives, particularly pedestrians," Duncan Smith replied. "I am yet to meet a cyclist who says to me 'I don't really care about anybody else, I'm just going to knock them down, doesn't really bother me'. 

Cyclists stopped at red light in London (Simon MacMichael)

"So that isn't the case, I don't think you put people off cycling because they want to go out and cause mayhem, I think what you do is you allow that small minority, and it is at the end of the day, to recognise that there are responsibilities and the way to do that is to allow the police to be able to do what they have to do and to suspend people's ability to cycle and to prosecute them if they commit these offences.

"There are cases of this, I've just given you some figures on it, Matt Briggs who's the one that got me involved in this, his wife was killed by a cyclist riding an illegal bicycle, they couldn't prosecute. In the end they had to come up with some 1861 law on dangerous coach driving [Charlie Alliston was sentenced to 18 months for causing bodily harm through wanton and furious driving] which they managed to tweak to get the prosecution done, but of course it had a very limited amount of punishment available to someone who killed somebody."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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bensynnock | 30 min ago
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Maybe he should let drivers know they're not above the law.

Yesterday I pulled up at a red light in my car. It had turned amber when I was about 10m away and was fully red by the time I got there. I was stopped at the light and another car passed me on my right on the wrong side of the road, on a normal road with one lane in each direction, went through the red light and turned right. I see crap like this every single day. Where's the enforcement? Where's the law?

On top of that we've got illegal motorcycles using the cycle lanes, legal motorcycles using the advanced stop box, and almost every single car out there seemingly driven by somebody who is in tremendous hurry and no regard for any of the rules. It's a joke.

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brooksby | 44 min ago
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IDS wrote:

In fact, there was one when I was bringing it in, a woman in Regent's Park who got knocked down by a cyclist that was over the speed limit and that was a pedal cycle, that wasn't even an electric cycle and we've seen many of these electric cycles going past us at incredible speeds.

Dear IDS -  those "electric cycles going past us at incredible speeds" ARE already illegal, in many cases.

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spen | 45 min ago
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It would be interesting to see what offences he actually wants introducing.  Would this simply be an offence of dangerous cycling or would there also be an offence of careless cycling?  Would there bre an option to reject jury members if they couldn't ptove that they were regular cyclists , obvious where I'm going with that one.  What sanctions could be imposed, if the judge decides not to impse a custodial sentence that would only leave a fine, no option for a ban as cycling isn't done under a licence, and what safeguards would there be to stop judges imposing custodial sentences on cyclists in circmstances in which a driver would get a fine and a ban?  Who would be responsible for saying what is careless or dangerous, goiung by the usual suspect media websites all cycists are a menace to society, the checks woud need to be very robust and not open to manipulation to suit the prejudice of "the silent majority"

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Secret_squirrel replied to spen | 35 min ago
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He wanted both afaik.

Everything else you say is taken care of between the way the legislation is written and the sentencing guidelines.

They would likely be subjective tests backed up by "should & must" rules in the HC just like the similar motoring offences.

Whilst what you say about the media is a concern - the process should be reasonably robust against media influence.

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brooksby replied to spen | 35 min ago
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spen wrote:

Would there be an option to reject jury members if they couldn't ptove that they were regular cyclists

"I'm a regular cyclist"

"I see, and how often have you ridden a bike in the last twelve months?"

"I rode it on holiday in Center Parcs."

"I see, and how many times in the last twelve months have you ridden a bicycle amid traffic, on a road?"

"Err - never, it's far too dangerous!"

"M'lud, we would like to exclude this juror from this case."

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belugabob | 46 min ago
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Even if the new laws that he's touring were sensible and justifiable, their introduction would be pretty pointless (and therefore economically a waste of money) as long as we remain at the very low levels of law enforcement that seems to prevail.
Now, if only we could identify the reason for such poor enforcement levels ... Any ideas, IDS?

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brooksby | 46 min ago
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Personally, I think we need an amendment to the CJB to remind Members of Parliament that they are not above the law… 

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mitsky | 1 hour ago
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Thanks for providing context with all the stats involving other forms of transport.

Given that IDS is singularly failing to do his job and wasting everyone's time, should he be required to walk/cycle everywhere to understand the difference in the level of danger presented by motorist v cyclists?
As opposed to being transported everywhere in what is almost certainly a small tank?

Or maybe all the stats should be presented in the form of GBP£ figures and the associated costs from KSIs via the different modes of transport?
After all, politicians seem to understand money above all else.

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Ladywriter | 1 hour ago
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Huge motorcycle test ? hardly !! if it was along time ago it was ride round the block and ride around a car park without falling over,usual mis information from yesterdays men  

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chrisonabike | 1 hour ago
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Obviously what people say in an interview people doesn't necessarily sit together as a piece of logic in the way that e.g. they could muster in a speech or a law.  But there seem all kinds of issues with IDS's musings here.

As road.cc point out he's twice said cyclists need to be "within the Highway code" - there's all kinds of levels of misunderstanding here (or rhetoric ... or just trying to hit notes "common people will understand"?).

Plus all kinds of partial truths and some odd takes.  Apparently this is "we've had a number of deaths".

Now I'm all for tackling all road death and injury *.  Perhaps if there were more funding for road policing in general and better direction here that might help (whether tackling drivers or anyone else)?  I certainly think at looking at the e-whatevers is long overdue.  Especially since the authorities pretty much done nothing about regulating the use and sale of illegal electric motorbikes, motor scooters etc. (indeed essentially setting up trials which I suspect are to pave the way for "well, here we are"...)

... but apparently no, more resources for policing or getting existing laws actually enforced is not his concern.  (They are certainly enough to see cyclists prosecuted).

I was struggling for exactly what he was flailing about until:

Ian Duncan Smith wrote:

Matt Briggs who's the one that got me involved in this ...

Ah.

* Can we start saying "a safe system approach" or even better pointing to "Sustainable Safety" rather than "Vision Zero" - the latter seems to be more of a slogan but the former are philosophies backed by a detailed programme (literally road-tested for over a decade in the NL case).

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perce | 1 hour ago
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This is a man who advocated vandalism against LTNs. Presumably those vandals were '' above the law'' as long as they shared his views. The man is an obnoxious, insufferable prick.

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the little onion replied to perce | 1 hour ago
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Is this the Duncan-Smith who lied on his CV about going to university? 

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Clem Fandango replied to the little onion | 1 hour ago
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Could this be the same Ian Duncan-Smith whose DWP admitted to making up quotes and case studies (ie lying) in publications about benefit sanctions?

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chrisonabike replied to the little onion | 1 hour ago
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Not condoning this nor a fan, but looks like a case of "sexing up" things that he did do e.g. more of a "I went to Oxford! (Brooks)".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/12_december...

Definitely making stuff up on benefits however:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/15/conservative-claim...

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the little onion | 1 hour ago
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as a pedestrian, you are roughly ten times more likely to be killed in an incident involving a mobility scooter than a bicycle. But mobility scooter drivers aren't subject to dangerous driving legislation.

 

just sayin'

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Benthic | 1 hour ago
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A right-winger picking on a minority group. True to form.

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spen replied to Benthic | 43 min ago
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that's their Mo, first identify your out group, second whip up hysteria, third impose unrealistic controls, finally ban

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Rendel Harris | 2 hours ago
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Are there any figures available, to provide the nuance and context that is clearly not Mr Duncan Smith's strong point, showing what proportion of those KSIs involving pedestrians and cyclists ended up with the cyclist being convicted and in how many cases the pedestrian was at fault?

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the little onion replied to Rendel Harris | 1 hour ago
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And also, whether the cyclist or a pedestrian came off worse from the incident.

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henryb replied to Rendel Harris | 1 hour ago
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