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Iain Duncan Smith wants cyclists to know "they're not above the law", makes latest call for new laws to punish dangerous cycling

Former Conservative leader claims legislation will not deter more people from cycling and insists "small minority" should recognise "that there are responsibilities"...

Iain Duncan Smith, the politician who spearheaded the campaign to pass new dangerous cycling laws such as causing death by dangerous cycling, has again appealed for new legislation — the Conservative MP suggesting he has spoken with Labour's front bench since the election and "they're thinking about what they can do with this".

Speaking to BBC Radio 4 this morning, Duncan Smith repeated his desire for an amendment to the Criminal Justice Bill, arguing for legislation so "cyclists understand that they're not above the law" and that "a small minority" are made to "recognise that there are responsibilities" that they can be prosecuted for.

Sir Iain Duncan Smith (Parliamentary portrait)

An amendment introducing such changes had looked almost certain to pass earlier in the summer, however the general election being called suddenly by Rishi Sunak meant there was not sufficient time for the legislation to pass. During the campaign, Labour said it would support new laws "to protect people from dangerous cycling", although little has been heard on the matter since the party formed a government. 

> House of Lords to debate cycling "safety issues"

Now, Duncan Smith has repeated his calls for the amendments to be revisited, although his comments on Radio 4 appeared to lack a complete understanding of the Highway Code and relevant legislation.

"We put forward an amendment which had cross-party support before the last election but sadly, of course, we had an early election and the amendment fell," he said. "The idea is to try and bring cyclists, both electric cycles and also pedal cycles into the Highway Code so that the laws and the responsibilities that exist in the Highway Code exist to cyclists, which at the moment don't really, and we've had a number of deaths."

Cyclists are already part of the Highway Code and advised to adhere to it, although the Code in itself is not the law. Of course, many of its points are backed up by relevant laws, which is more the wording it appears Duncan Smith was attempting to use.

Cyclists in London 1 - copyright Simon MacMichael

"We had, I think, between 2018 and 2020 [2018-2022, not 2020], something like just under 2,000 pedestrian casualties of which nine were fatal and nearly 700 actually were serious injuries. In fact, there was one when I was bringing it in, a woman in Regent's Park who got knocked down by a cyclist that was over the speed limit and that was a pedal cycle, that wasn't even an electric cycle and we've seen many of these electric cycles going past us at incredible speeds."

> Does there really need to be a law for causing death or serious injury by dangerous, careless or inconsiderate cycling?

The case Duncan Smith referred to was the much-publicised death of Hilda Griffiths back in 2022. Despite little media or political coverage at the time, a coroner's inquest in May of this year hearing that the cyclist involved would not be prosecuted sparked headlines across the written and broadcast press.

Brian Fitzgerald was riding in a group at a speed of between 25mph and 29mph at the time of the fatal crash. The speed limit in the park is 20mph, but the Metropolitan Police confirmed that it does not apply to people riding bicycles (as is the case throughout the country), and that the case had been closed because there was "insufficient evidence for a real prospect of conviction".

Outer Circle near Hanover Terrace (via Google Street View)

While incidents such as that one attract much political and media interest, the Department for Transport statistics still show that pedestrians are far more likely to be killed in a collision involving the driver of a car than involving someone riding a bike. Between 2018 and 2022, nine pedestrian fatalities and 657 cases of pedestrians suffering serious injuries were reported in road collisions involving a pedal cycle.

By contrast, in that same time period, 1,165 pedestrians were killed in collisions involving the driver of a car, while there were 20,557 reported serious injuries.

DfT pedestrian casualty statistics

That added context to the pedestrian casualty figures cited by Duncan Smith was not mentioned during the Radio 4 segment, the former Conservative leader continuing: "I'm a motorcyclist. I had to pass huge tests and restrictions, all sorts of things to understand what speed was and to understand also how dangerous it is to exceed the speed limit and none of these cyclists who are now on pretty powerful bikes (referring to e-bike riders) have to do any of that, pass any tests or carry any protective equipment, so it's getting them within the Highway Code so that dangerous cycling or cycling that causes death or injury are prosecutable offences and for cyclists to understand that they're not above the law."

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At this point the presenter put the point to Duncan Smith that there are fears such legislation could have an effect of deterring people from cycling, something that would see missed positive gains in health and reducing motor traffic.

"Well, there are a group of people that constantly say that 'if you do this, people won't cycle' but my answer to that is — I don't think most people that cycle cycle with the view that they don't care about the law or care about other people's ability to go about their daily lives, particularly pedestrians," Duncan Smith replied. "I am yet to meet a cyclist who says to me 'I don't really care about anybody else, I'm just going to knock them down, doesn't really bother me'. 

Cyclists stopped at red light in London (Simon MacMichael)

"So that isn't the case, I don't think you put people off cycling because they want to go out and cause mayhem, I think what you do is you allow that small minority, and it is at the end of the day, to recognise that there are responsibilities and the way to do that is to allow the police to be able to do what they have to do and to suspend people's ability to cycle and to prosecute them if they commit these offences.

"There are cases of this, I've just given you some figures on it, Matt Briggs who's the one that got me involved in this, his wife was killed by a cyclist riding an illegal bicycle, they couldn't prosecute. In the end they had to come up with some 1861 law on dangerous coach driving [Charlie Alliston was sentenced to 18 months for causing bodily harm through wanton and furious driving] which they managed to tweak to get the prosecution done, but of course it had a very limited amount of punishment available to someone who killed somebody."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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stonojnr replied to mike the bike | 2 months ago
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It was pretty much upto 1990 wasnt it ? when CBT came in.

And I could give you names dates and addresses of those who passed a ride around the block style motorcycle test, but Id be breaking data protection rules and their right to privacy, so i wont.

But it was a thing, believe me on that.

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Mr Hoopdriver replied to mike the bike | 2 months ago
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mike the bike wrote:

Ladywriter wrote:

Huge motorcycle test ? hardly !! if it was along time ago it was ride round the block and ride around a car park without falling over,usual mis information from yesterdays men  

Your post too is a perfect example of misinformation.  Of course everyone knows someone who rode around the block without falling off and was gifted a licence but, strangely enough, nobody has any dates, times or addresses.  Funny that.

And, as Mamil says below, the current test is a five-part ordeal that examines several aspects of road behaviour that the car test ignores.

Dream on sir .....

 

Perhaps a read of https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/history-of-road-safety-and-the-driving-test/history-of-road-safety-the-highway-code-and-the-driving-test would have been prudent before posting that...

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Ladywriter replied to Mr Hoopdriver | 2 months ago
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Agreed badly written post by me 

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Ladywriter replied to mike the bike | 2 months ago
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Thats fair enough it was a badly written post 

 

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Rendel Harris replied to mike the bike | 2 months ago
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mike the bike wrote:

Your post too is a perfect example of misinformation.  Of course everyone knows someone who rode around the block without falling off and was gifted a licence but, strangely enough, nobody has any dates, times or addresses.  Funny that.

I can't give you dates, times and addresses but in my brief and inglorious spell as a motorcycle courier when between jobs in 2001 many of the veteran riders had highly believable stories of the test in the mid-1970s being conducted by an examiner on foot who would stand by a tree and watch you ride a number of times round the block, step out at some point to instigate an emergency stop and then ask a few basic Highway Code questions. Do you have dates, times and addresses of people in the 1970s who had to take a more rigorous test than that?

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mdavidford replied to Ladywriter | 2 months ago
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Ladywriter wrote:

Huge motorcycle test ? hardly !! if it was along time ago...

It wasn't. Appears to be a late-life crisis kind of thing.

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Ladywriter replied to mdavidford | 2 months ago
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Thank you 

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Tom_77 replied to Ladywriter | 2 months ago
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Ladywriter wrote:

Huge motorcycle test ? hardly !! if it was along time ago it was ride round the block and ride around a car park without falling over,usual mis information from yesterdays men  

According to this rather strange article IDS took his motorcycle test in 2021.

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chrisonabike | 2 months ago
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Obviously what people say in an interview people doesn't necessarily sit together as a piece of logic in the way that e.g. they could muster in a speech or a law.  But there seem all kinds of issues with IDS's musings here.

As road.cc point out he's twice said cyclists need to be "within the Highway code" - there's all kinds of levels of misunderstanding here (or rhetoric ... or just trying to hit notes "common people will understand"?).

Plus all kinds of partial truths and some odd takes.  Apparently this is "we've had a number of deaths".

Now I'm all for tackling all road death and injury *.  Perhaps if there were more funding for road policing in general and better direction here that might help (whether tackling drivers or anyone else)?  I certainly think at looking at the e-whatevers is long overdue.  Especially since the authorities pretty much done nothing about regulating the use and sale of illegal electric motorbikes, motor scooters etc. (indeed essentially setting up trials which I suspect are to pave the way for "well, here we are"...)

... but apparently no, more resources for policing or getting existing laws actually enforced is not his concern.  (They are certainly enough to see cyclists prosecuted).

I was struggling for exactly what he was flailing about until:

Ian Duncan Smith wrote:

Matt Briggs who's the one that got me involved in this ...

Ah.

* Can we start saying "a safe system approach" or even better pointing to "Sustainable Safety" rather than "Vision Zero" - the latter seems to be more of a slogan but the former are philosophies backed by a detailed programme (literally road-tested for over a decade in the NL case).

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Tom_77 replied to chrisonabike | 2 months ago
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chrisonabike wrote:

Plus all kinds of partial truths and some odd takes.  Apparently this is "we've had a number of deaths".

"we've had a number of deaths" = "we've had a number of newspaper headlines"

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mattw replied to chrisonabike | 2 months ago
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That is already the expressed theory under UK road design.

So we can also argue from the need to implement the aleady expressed principles. That's sometimes easier -but ultimately it has to be driven with the authority of the centre.

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perce | 2 months ago
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This is a man who advocated vandalism against LTNs. Presumably those vandals were '' above the law'' as long as they shared his views. The man is an obnoxious, insufferable prick.

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the little onion replied to perce | 2 months ago
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Is this the Duncan-Smith who lied on his CV about going to university? 

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Clem Fandango replied to the little onion | 2 months ago
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Could this be the same Ian Duncan-Smith whose DWP admitted to making up quotes and case studies (ie lying) in publications about benefit sanctions?

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chrisonabike replied to the little onion | 2 months ago
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Not condoning this nor a fan, but looks like a case of "sexing up" things that he did do e.g. more of a "I went to Oxford! (Brooks)".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/12_december...

Definitely making stuff up on benefits however:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/15/conservative-claim...

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Rendel Harris replied to chrisonabike | 2 months ago
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Just read an interesting article about him from the Independent, one of his claims from school (where his nickname was, interestingly "Wally Duncan Smith"; in the army it was "Ian Drunken Smith") was that he was a good enough rugby player to keep Clive Woodward, future England international and World Cup-winning coach, out of the school side. For some reason he forgets to mention that Woodward was two years below him so it's hardly surprising that he wasn't allowed to play in the same side - certainly in my school days boys from a lower year were never allowed to play out of their age group for legal and safety reasons. Older readers may remember him as one of the most incompetent leaders of the Tory party (and let's face it, there is stiff competition for that) when his slogan was "The quiet man is back and he's turning up the volume" – for some reason he forgot to add "of bullshit".

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the little onion | 2 months ago
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as a pedestrian, you are roughly ten times more likely to be killed in an incident involving a mobility scooter than a bicycle. But mobility scooter drivers aren't subject to dangerous driving legislation.

 

just sayin'

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Benthic | 2 months ago
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A right-winger picking on a minority group. True to form.

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spen replied to Benthic | 2 months ago
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that's their Mo, first identify your out group, second whip up hysteria, third impose unrealistic controls, finally ban

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Rendel Harris | 2 months ago
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Are there any figures available, to provide the nuance and context that is clearly not Mr Duncan Smith's strong point, showing what proportion of those KSIs involving pedestrians and cyclists ended up with the cyclist being convicted and in how many cases the pedestrian was at fault?

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the little onion replied to Rendel Harris | 2 months ago
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And also, whether the cyclist or a pedestrian came off worse from the incident.

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henryb replied to Rendel Harris | 2 months ago
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