MY Chinarillo, ive been been upgrading.

What are the bearings like on your wheels

Your an inspiration Wheelz. The new 2013 assymetric design is pretty cool and the manufacturers have not rested on the laurels. The new frames are made from T1000 carbon fiber as opposed to T700. The result is 25% lighter and 30% stiffer and stronger. And they have new subtle changes to paint designs. They look awesome.

I really like the most intergrated handlebars and I think the 2012 curved design compliments the frame better then the traditional angular one.

I have researched the shit out of 50mm carbon bike wheels. The Levi Grand fondo in the States have effectively banned carbon clinchers due to blow outs in the descents. Tubulars are by their nature a better proposition but they are hardly practical and costs of tyres prohibitive Puncture repairs are awkward and necessitate either a spare tube or foam OK if you are pottering about locally but not 100km from home. I certainly would not entertain a company that at least did not at least address the heat issue and I notice quite a few in fact, do not! When it comes to clinchers higher temp resins and basalt braking surfaces are the way to go with cadence/modulating braking and no long twisty descents. Always keep a set of alu’s for the rare occasions. Aso those Novatec hubs are seriously noisy. I prfer stealth mode and sneek up on peeps. There is an interesting article on Carbon wheels where steep descents are concerned.

http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/07/carbon-clinchers-are-they-ready-for-pri...

By the way well done on the update

7mm?! I don't think I'd be riding those.

Wheelz.
Splendid looking machine.
I also own a "Chinarello" and I am delighted with it.
Assembled with the carbon fibre components sourced from China,no problem with the quality or speed of delivery.
Group set bought from Merlin Cycles (U.K.)good people to deal with.
Funds would only extend to a Shimano Tiagra compact,however pleased with it,seems as good as the 105 on my other cycle.
Easton wheels (already had).
Tempted to fit at a later date carbon wheels,any reader has experience of such and are they worth fitting ? what are the advantages ? if any.
Yours
Doug.F.

If you put stickers on anything doesn't make it illegal under the trade descriptions act, unless you are going to sell it. Even then if you offer full disclosure and the buyer is fully aware what they are buying there is no offence as far as I can see.

You have simply decorated your bike as a reproduction. Whether that is right or wrong is probably a moral issue and one of taste.

Great looking bike, would love to hear how it rides/compares from someone impartial but I suspect that it maybe difficult to find someone with no prejudice against chinese frames or likes the fact it's so much cheaper.

I can take my hat off to the OP for his honesty about the bike, although not something I would. (edit to clarify - buy that type of bike)

Also fair play to Dave as there is no need to get road.cc in any strife.

Would love to see a real v 'fake' (maybe copy sounds more polite) test though. I guess that is one for a private test then but not sure where the results could be posted? Any neutral fan site?

wheelz: I find it very hard to square "not trying to kid anyone" with the fake branding decals. If you were not trying to kid anyone, you'd have put the name of the Chinese supplier on it.

(And again, there's nothing wrong with the Chinese stuff itself).

I would assume that buying a blank frame from a chinese supplier and selling that on as a blank frame would be fine though? The fact that it's marked up as a Pinarello is really the only issue right?

If the frame was just being produced without the Pina stickers/colours would there be an issue?

I understand that most of these frames are either a) made using the same moulds as the legit bikes but with lower quality materials, b) just left overs from large production runs or c) made by newer carbon frame manufacturers as examples of quality that they're using to convince the likes of Spesh, Trek and the rest that they are good enough to take on the business of making branded frames.

So buying a blank frame, building up and seeling it on surely wouldn't be a problem?

hello everyone. you'll note that i've removed the link in the above comment. not to do so could make us complicit in the trade of counterfeit goods, which is an offence under uk law. as such i'd be grateful if you didn't post any more on this forum. thanks.

legally, you're not committing an offence by buying counterfeit goods - it's the sale of them that is prohibited. If, however, you decide to sell it on you'll be breaking the law, as velodromerocket says above.

Asking for trouble putting this on here. Mate of mine just had his fake confiscated by trading standards because he had it on eBay. The Zipps and Super Record were genuine but they took the lot.

have you got a link for where you got the wheels please

+1 for chinese stuff. I have carbon wheels from there.

-1 for putting rip-off decals on it.

As much as a magazine/web site review would be lovely i can't really see it happening from a commercial point of view. The advertisers of this site or magazines would go absolutely nuts if anything like this was even officially acknowledged to exist, never mind that it would prove to be a viable alternative.

Raleigh +1. It'd be great to see comparisons with genuine Boras for example. Can't you let Road.cc have it for a day, just for curiousity's sake?!

So.

Is it the same?

being wheelz "technical/engineering consultant" in this build i can honestly say it has gone together as well as anything we have built with normal propriety components.

and whats more it look even better in the flesh. Trouble is now all i'm going to see is the rear end disappearing up the road.

I would ride the everliving fuck out of a luminous green and purple bike. But then I'm a unique and precious thing.

Not flash enough for me. Do they do it in luminous green and purple stripes?

That looks absolutely fantastic!

Forgive me if you posted this before but do you have the link of where you imported the frame and rims from?

Very tempted....

What's the total cost now?