All I Want For Christmas...

enrique wrote:

Hmmm... That's strange... The Fantasy Cycling Automatic Roster Changes Thread says it was updated 1 hour 22 min ago by roadcc_admin but I don't see any additions to any race... Hmmm... Were there any changes made?... Are the changes displayed latest first?...

Did you go to the second page of the thread?

Johnbosley wrote:

Right, New Fantasy Year, what are we waiting for?

we're waiting for monday 7 jan which is the date we're planning to launch the 2013 season, all going well...

Excellent, thanks.

Dave Atkinson wrote:

... all will be revealed soon...

When? I'm checking every day!

Dave Atkinson wrote:

... 3.0 is the min...

We'll need lower than 3.0, Dave, c'mon! 2.5 is a really cool number.. How about at least one rider per race at 2.5, or 2.3, or 2.7, just a wee bit below 3.0? I guarantee I'll use them! I'll need it to stack up my team with the higher valued riders! Please? I was one of the ones that loved the 2.3 riders, like Stijn Neirynck, the 2.4 riders, the 2.5 ones, like Steve Chainel and Mikel Astarloza and the 2.7 riders, like Stijn Vandenbergh... One per race? Please?

Raleigh wrote:

So its based on potential results... Kind of

not really. it's based on a year of past form, weighted to the types of stages in the race. so if it was all high mountains, cav's value would be much lower.

Gkam84 wrote:

Here you go, I am not even going to attempt to explain it, because I have NO idea, But I this would be for him starting the Santos Tour Down Under

Rigoberto Uran

Stage type: FL

45.8 points from 20 stages contested, Average 2.3. Weighted score: 145.36

Stage type: MM

95.0 points from 17 stages contested, Average 5.6. Weighted score: 240.8

Stage type: HM

95.6 points from 5 stages contested, Average 19.1. Weighted score: 191

Stage type: SF

73.0 points from 13 stages contested, Average 5.6. Weighted score: 95.2

Stage type: IT

19.0 points from 5 stages contested, Average 3.8. Weighted score: 0

Stage type: TT

8.0 points from 2 stages contested, Average 4.0. Weighted score: 0.0

Rider total score: 25.9

Rider type: KM

that's not his value though, just to confuse things a little more.

sagan is a top-of-the-pile 40 for the TDU. Cav is 33.4. at the moment. things may change.

The game is looking quite nice! It looks great, really! I love it...

I really (!) like this:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

Premium players can roll over an unlimited number of transfers, and their transfers don't expire.

But, man, I'm broke! Would you change that so standard folks can have unlimited rollovers too? Or at least have a rollover of four days, please? Otherwise I feel like the Premium players will have a pretty significant advantage! Please?

By the way, I miss something from last year's Pick A Team page. Rider values would be grayed out if their value was above the amount left on your budget. You could avoid going over budget because anyone above what was left on your budget was not available to be selected. Can that be done this year, too? I'm really excited to be back at this! Thanks!

Dave Atkinson wrote:

Premium players can roll over an unlimited number of transfers, and their transfers don't expire.

The way I 1st read that, if I sign up as a premium player, don't use any transfers and bank them all up to the Giro. I would have 100+ transfers banked for the Giro and to try and win the big prize.

Then I thought about it, and the unlimited transfers between races and realised that maybe it was only banking transfers in each race that are unlimited.

So which one is it Dave?

option 1 makes some big changes to game play and fairness IMHO.

option 2 gives an big advantage to premium players if they plan well.

enrique wrote:

Otherwise I feel like the Premium players will have a pretty significant advantage!

Agree

Actually unsure as to sign up as premium or take the challenge and play as free to beat the premium players with a handicap.

nickobec wrote:

Dave Atkinson wrote:

Premium players can roll over an unlimited number of transfers, and their transfers don't expire.

The way I 1st read that, if I sign up as a premium player, don't use any transfers and bank them all up to the Giro. I would have 100+ transfers banked for the Giro and to try and win the big prize.

Then I thought about it, and the unlimited transfers between races and realised that maybe it was only banking transfers in each race that are unlimited.

So which one is it Dave?

option 1 makes some big changes to game play and fairness IMHO.

option 2 gives an big advantage to premium players if they plan well.

enrique wrote:

Otherwise I feel like the Premium players will have a pretty significant advantage!

Agree

Actually unsure as to sign up as premium or take the challenge and play as free to beat the premium players with a handicap.

I believe the way the game is set up each race is a separate competition so transfers wouldn't carry over between the likes of the Giro and Tour. What would actually happen would be that if you kept the same team from stage 1 to stage 5 you'd have accumulated 8 transfers rather than the previous cap of 4.

Not that it makes much difference to how the game plays (except removing some planning from it regarding when to start changing from sprinters to climbers etc). You still need to make the right choices for stage 1 and if you get it wrong you may be at an even greater disadvantage than you were last year because those getting their picks right can save their transfers and have 8 or so for when we get a change from flat to TT or flat to mountains whereas if you get it wrong you're making changes every day just to catch up.

I think that's how it works but I'm sure Dave will correct me if I'm wrong.

drheaton wrote:

I believe the way the game is set up each race is a separate competition so transfers wouldn't carry over between the likes of the Giro and Tour. What would actually happen would be that if you kept the same team from stage 1 to stage 5 you'd have accumulated 8 transfers rather than the previous cap of 4.

yeah, the transfers are confined to a competition, they don't carry over to the next one

Dave Atkinson wrote:

Premium players can roll over an unlimited number of transfers, and their transfers don't expire.

enrique wrote:

... Would you change that so standard folks can have unlimited rollovers too? Or at least have a rollover [period] of four days [for the Grand Tours], please? Otherwise I feel like the Premium players will have a pretty significant advantage!...

Please?...

nickobec wrote:

option 1 makes some big changes to game play and fairness IMHO.

option 2 gives an big advantage to premium players if they plan well.

I agree...

drheaton wrote:

Not that it makes much difference to how the game plays...

I think it makes a huge (!) difference! Premium players can use transfers in a significantly different way in Grand Tours! Over three weeks I think it can make a giant-killing difference! : (

Aw, boy... Dave, would you consider making it a level playing field between the Standard players and the Premium players? At least for the Grand Tours? Like nicko says, it's almost like playing with a handicap.

Some of us play just for fun, and are ok with not winning the Grand Prizes, but would still like to to be competitive and not feel we're at a competitive disadvantage from the get go, especially come Grand Tour time...

I think playing without being able to bank transfers the same way would put Standard players at a game-changing disadvantage to Premium players, especially over a period of three weeks. Many times during a Grand Tour, I've had transfers go to waste because of the 1 day rollover period.

I can imagine, for example, coming into the last week of the 2013 Tour, a Premium player who has banked a ton of transfers will be able to come to the last Time Trial stage, Stage 17, and bring in 2, 3 or 4 more Time Trialers for that stage, turn his team around for the 3 upcoming mountain stages, bank transfers for two days, and then, maybe also (!) be able to bring in 2, 3 or 4 more sprinters for the last stage in Paris than a Standard player could. I think deploying that strategy would kill just about any Standard team that was still in contention that last week.

I don't mind not winning the bike, but I'd like to get a shot at winning the competition on equal terms.

Premium players are already getting a shot at the bikes and all, why should they also get such a great advantage, which becomes especially more significant over the course of three weeks? It just feel unfair...

It's like giving them a 5 second advantage in a 100 meter race... I don't think it's a level playing field.

It feels like Standard players will be a tier below the Premium and it will not feel like the same game for both levels... In fact, it isn't, since it's different rules... I don't think you're matching wits fairly, especially during the Grand Tours, between Standard players and Premium players, when Premium players have such a significant advantage in the form of not losing any transfers...

It really let the wind out of my sails... : ( It may fall on deaf ears, but I'd love it if you made the transfer rules equal or more equitable, even if it was only for the Grand Tour competitions. Thanks! : )