Van driver who deliberately ran over cyclist in road rage incident jailed for four years

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Obviously the cyclist is a bit of a hot head and attempted hard man. That's how hard you are against old men in steel boxes.

Pick your fights carefully and obviously let them drive off first.

Except the driver got out of his car for a fight, that's instant proof for road rage, it's quite easy to stay in your car and drive in an appropriate manner.
I don't understand why some people are so keen to blame the victim here, are you seriously suggesting the cyclist tried to pick a fight with someone who was operating a two tonne killing machine?!

ChrisB200SX wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Obviously the cyclist is a bit of a hot head and attempted hard man. That's how hard you are against old men in steel boxes.

Pick your fights carefully and obviously let them drive off first.

Except the driver got out of his car for a fight, that's instant proof for road rage, it's quite easy to stay in your car and drive in an appropriate manner.
I don't understand why some people are so keen to blame the victim here, are you seriously suggesting the cyclist tried to pick a fight with someone who was operating a two tonne killing machine?!

Aaahh... Yes. Because that's exactly what the cyclist said he did.

"Mr Carter, who was on his way to work, shouted abuse at the motorist, and admitted punching and kicking him after he got out of his van."

Honestly I think the cyclist should also be charged with assault. 

madcarew wrote:

ChrisB200SX wrote:

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Obviously the cyclist is a bit of a hot head and attempted hard man. That's how hard you are against old men in steel boxes.

Pick your fights carefully and obviously let them drive off first.

Except the driver got out of his car for a fight, that's instant proof for road rage, it's quite easy to stay in your car and drive in an appropriate manner.
I don't understand why some people are so keen to blame the victim here, are you seriously suggesting the cyclist tried to pick a fight with someone who was operating a two tonne killing machine?!

Aaahh... Yes. Because that's exactly what the cyclist said he did.

"Mr Carter, who was on his way to work, shouted abuse at the motorist, and admitted punching and kicking him after he got out of his van."

 

Honestly I think the cyclist should also be charged with assault. 

Yeah, it does sound as if he also commited an offence and I'm a bit surprised he wasn't charged with anything (though I suppose it depends how hard the kick and punch were?  Maybe for that sort of thing he'd have just gotten off with a caution anyway?)

Honestly it sounds as they both have anger management issues - but the difference is only one of them was weilding a potentially-deadly weapon when the red-mist came down.

brooksby wrote:

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The court heard that a row erupted between the electrician and 25-year-old cyclist John Carter after Bhamra blocked a road with his van as he tried to make a turn.

I'd like more information on this bit, I think.

Does that mean "tried to make a tight turn that failed and turned into one of those twenty five point turns".  Surely if it was anything other than "actively and intentionally blocked the road" then you just wait...?

Was this one of those times where the cyclist lost his rag and made a tw@t of himself and then the motorist did too, except that the motorist was driving a three tonne metal box with an engine...

I think you've nailed it there. 

brooksby wrote:

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The court heard that a row erupted between the electrician and 25-year-old cyclist John Carter after Bhamra blocked a road with his van as he tried to make a turn.

I'd like more information on this bit, I think.

 

If you have a look on street view, it’s quite a big junction. I suspect the van had edged out into traffic blocking a lane whilst waiting for a gap in traffic to turn right.

https://goo.gl/maps/NkcN8GH3Zgx

Bigfoz wrote:

Can't help tinking this could all have been avoided if the cyclist just waited while the van driver sorted himself out. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies. Riding in to work last week, feeling virtuous because only seen 3 cars, a bus, and a truck jump red lights, but no cyclists. Stop and wait at red light, only for an entire peleton (at least8!) riders ride straight past me, across the junction, with tail end Charlie hurling abuse at driver he'd cut up. This exact situation could have been replayed right there...

And letting drivers take the piss, barge in front, close pass and all the other shit stuff they do and not react and cede priority has served people on bikes so well hasn't it.

You can be minding your own business simply going along and you;re killed or maimed, trying to add 2+2 and getting 5 because of your anecdote and then putting the blame onto the victim is bullshit.

I remember that one time a guy barged his way out the pub, maybe I should have fucking battered him senseless whilst his back was turned, which is exactly what the driver did to the victim here, or as happened called him a wanker and went on my way.

Stop defending the indefensible, if you act like a cretin and then start being a twat by making out the other person is the one in the wrong but then go back for afters then expect to be vilified, basically all you're doing is saying this might or might not happened if some other event had not happened. Yet what happened was instigated by the person causing the final assault with a killing weapon.

But yeah, running a red light deserves to be beaten up, maimed or killed.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Bigfoz wrote:

Can't help tinking this could all have been avoided if the cyclist just waited while the van driver sorted himself out...

Stop defending the indefensible... cretin... twat...

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