Chris Boardman calls for one year bans for teams whose riders are caught doping

stealth: Well, Obree himself had an advantage in many of their encounters: He had an estimated 5 to 10%-power advantage through unorthodox positions on his bicycle. Yet a few others were able to beat him regularly even with that advantage (and thrash his times when they adopted Obree positions). Some have concluded that Obree wasn't quite an outstanding athlete because of that. If doping was the cause for Boardman's testosterone deficiency and his osteoporosis, then that would shed a new light on Obree's performances.

Again, I'm not saying Boardman doped. I'm saying there's 2 possibilities: 1. It was due to steroid abuse (corticosteroids, testosterone), 2. It was due to something else unrelated to PED abuse, i.e. natural causes. One of these is quite rare in active men, the other was extremely common in top-level cyclists back then.

We can't know which case Boardman falls into. If you can really disagree with that, you must be Chris Boardman.

Pevious comment ( 10.12 )was in reply to drheaton at 21.16 of 25th oct ! Link /quote did not work !

Agree with the following statements:
" Though it seems that CB is jumping on the band wagon he has some very valid points and are definately worth looking at (take note UCI!).

If one person in a WorldTour team wants to jeopardise everyone else's livelyhood then they must have balls the size of whatever. "

" Would give a disgruntled rider the ability to take down his team. "You stuffed my career, now I'll stuff yours."
As for myself i think " Trek " in ALL it's guises deserves ALL that is coming it's way ! Cashing in on the " Myth " was GOOD for business , now enjoy the BACKLASH ,folks , you earnt it and deserve !

Those reading my Blogs will have seen that i Advocated " Team Bans " some Years ago ! My take was 2 Racers in a three month period led to a Suspension , and progressive periods with Monetary penalties along the way !

As all knows Winter is arriving in Swiss Mountains with snow and ice , normal ? This year Aigle is suffering Avalanches of " Mud " , the likes of which will stick , regardless of the efforts to shift it ! External Investigation by heinous's mates ? Forget the idea phat , Chris b. knows that you deserve to be " tarred and feathered " and Eire will not be a destination where you could seek to avoid the rancour of Cycling Fans !

David Walsh & Paul Kimmage are Irishmen that you sought to diminish and your description of flandis & shamilton comes from a person at several ranks below their status in the eyes of Cycling Fans . On a scale of 1 to 10 , they are , perhaps 2 . You are about -17 !ist the deeper you dig yourself ! In future write down what you will say ! Remember last Monday , when you said that a phone call was NOT Contact ?

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Greg LeMond suggested giving up some lunch money , thanks to him and " His Dossier " becoming available to Paul , those on the UCI Board at the Friday meeting decided to attempt ousting the " prats of aigle "!

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Would give a disgruntled rider the ability to take down his team. "You stuffed my career, now I'll stuff yours."

Taking drugs either to win or be a top team player is a considered personal action, a total ban for life would almost certainly put an end to any such considerations.

Shay: But that was perhaps mid-way through his career then? At which stage he'd already had ample time to abuse steroids. I know his condition was known about before the end of his career, because it's referred to in his hour record film.

It doesn't take *that* long for steroid abuse to start causing your body to break down (though, osteoporosis takes times). Quite young top cyclists (e.g. still in teens, or very early twenties) have suffered badly from it.

That he quit doesn't really tell us anything other than that by the time he got into his early 30s, the osteoporosis was bad enough he couldn't risk cycling anymore. I don't think it tells us whether or not it was caused by doping or a natural, but quite rare condition.

I'd be interested in how Chris Boardman's master plan would be applied in a case like that of Marcel Six. Unfortunately, we do not live in a world of absolutes, where automatic harsh punishments bring about desirable results, and I think a more pragmatic approach is needed.

Congratulations to Trek. You have made a significant step and one that the likes of Nike or Oakley have not made. By entering into the the conversation regarding the use of PEDs there is gain for all you gain by affirming the companies position by engagement which suggests you are concerned as much for the sport you as you are for the balance sheet obviously the two are linked. All too often companies have a policy position but no apparent commitment beyond this, it therefore appears as a business decision based solely on brand image and sales not a moral position.

Cycling gains by having a position stated in an open channel, which allows all to see that the anti doping movement is broad.

As for your comment, I understand your concerns, particularly as you may feel that you have little or no control over weather or not an individual (or a team) uses PEDs but carry consequences of their PEDs use. Under Boardman type suggestions those consequences become even more severe and therefore increases business risk and are not something on face value is likely to attract a sponsor. However, at this time these are suggestions and the practicalities are not sorted and concerns are doubt surmountable or at least can be placed where they are tolerable, if such a route was to be chosen.

As a cycling fan and rider of a Trek bike I made my decision to buy a Trek despite the companies long association with Armstrong. A person who I never felt said anything about cycling that resonated with me.
Hide sight is a wonderful thing but perhaps as a company you should have more confidence in your products than to have such a high investment in one person for marketing. Making greater connections with the grassroots of cycling as part of marketing (along with pro sponsorship at some level) does perhaps not have as much immediate impact as association with the latest 'hero'. Yet over time such an approach is more sustainable offering reduced risks, building believe and commitment within the cycling community and can contribute to product development.

How you divide up your marketing budget is your decision be it long term or short term, the consequences and benefits of your decisions are yours.

TrekBikesUK: there are specialist companies who will do anti-doping monitoring and provide reports - basically run a private "blood passport" programme. You could make use of such a condition of sponsorship. Slipstream (who run the Garmin team) use such an agency.

If I had the money to sponsor a team, I'd also make it a condition that the raw blood passport data for the whole team would be made publically available at the end of each season. That would be really useful to anti-doping science. You could talk to Michael Ashenden, noted anti-doping scientist (SIAB.org.au) about the best way to sponsor an anti-doping team!

I wonder how realistic asking sponsors to be involved in policing teams would really be. Team sponsorship is generally a marketing exercise, and in our case, a product development program, as well. We're a big company, but there are a lot of smaller companies that play roles in team sponsorship. I don't think we are in the best position to expertly police teams to ensure that they race clean.

We could certainly pull sponsorship with immediate effect, but I doubt we'd know the first thing about how to monitor a team for the use of PEDs. We make bikes, not tests for stimulant use.

And, if anyone knows what it's like to be lied to about sponsored riders and teams being involved in PED use. and the backlash that results from all of it, it's us.

Nice to hear a view from Chris on the matter...can you imagine him in charge of the UCI...

Anything that makes it less attractive to sponsors is not a good thing. They will vote with their cheque books and go else where.

whoopee dee one year team ban, big fluffin' deal ...

Shay cycles: If he started with it, that'd clear him. Have you got a citation for that?

There are plenty of ideas of a way forward and many have something going for them.

In Essence all focus on two factors the doping itself and the management of the UCI. Most likely there needs to be both but also a long hard look needs to be taken at the UCI itself.

It has been shown how those who wish will find a way to do so will, only possibly getting court some years later when analytical test catch up with doping techniques or others tell their story for whatever reasons. Hence the arrival of biological passports but these are as yet not an exact science. Chris makes a valuable contribution to this banning teams for one year or as others have said making it a contractual obligation to ride in neutral jerseys if one member of a team dopes and would add a very visible collective responsibility element that has so far been missing, am am sure there are other ways of achieving the same effect by altering how UCI points are deducted from a team and over what period should a rider deduction be count.

When it comes to the UCI most of the forums fire is reserved for Pat McQuaid and there would appear in my view to be no place for someone who knew what was going on but would appear to do have only ever allowed the minimum possible to be done to appear clean, even if these actions were more than any other sport had down the measures were knowingly not up to the task and additional approaches should have been implemented. The consequence was that only the incompetent doper would be court and thus there was a perverse incentive to organise doping. That is how cycling managed to get to this point.

Having said that The structures of the UCI are probably not up to the task of managing modern cycling with all its variants and interest groups. I am sure that there are people out there that would wish for Pat McQuaid's job. There is always someone with such an ego but that this the problem the structure is that poor that only someone with a dictatorial nature and self deluding ego is going to want the job. Ultimately the federations that make up the UCI need to sit down and re-constitute the organisation removing of the apparent contradictions and confused responsibilities within its structures. This now has to be done If any future leader is going to have a chance of bring cycling truly into the light not just leave a sport I like many other love hanging around in a false dawn.

Chris Boardman ended his career with a hormonal related problem but if you check back you'll find that he started that career with that same hormonal condition which eventually caused him to retire because the only effective treatment for it would be steroid based - hardly the result of doping during his career then!

In spite of what some people say not all pro cyclists from that era were doping.

And of course not all amateurs raced clean.

I also believe that no-one really doped to level the playing field, those who doped did it for advantage and to perform better than they would otherwise.

Paul J, I agree with a lot of what you say on the road.cc forum but... NO! No, no, no.

And in conclusion...

No.

I'm not sure it's possible to say with certainty that Chris was clean. He ended up with hormonal-related problems, including osteoporosis - normally extremely rare in fit young men. Rare, except for one group: Fit young men who abuse steroids. Chris either was unlucky enough to be clean and develop a rare problem while ALSO being in a profession that had a significantly elevated incidence of such problems due to doping, OR he wasn't that unlike the others..

We can't know, but we can assign probabilities.

Can't see the whole team banned for a year but I think losing their points and invites for the big events would be plausible... .

You may have a point, TheHatter, but it's easy to criticise anyone who didn't make a stand at the time. Plenty of hacks could have done (it could be considered their job) but the vast majority, like John Wilcockson, were sucking up the hype like there was no tomorrow and actively discouraged dissent while others, like the Comic's ex-editor Andrew Sutcliffe, dared not print anything critical. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Returning to Chris... If he had said this sooner do you not think he would be demonised throughout cycling and in all likelihood threatened with litigation? Consider the thoroughly unpleasant experiences of those who dared to stand up to Armstrong and speak out - Christophe Bassons, Betsy Andreu, Emma O'Reilly, Greg LeMond as well as David Walsh and Paul Kimmage. Would you risk your career, and maybe your home and your mental and physical health, to do that?

Everyone except the UCI and McQuaid seems to have answers.

Chris raced clean throughout career, in a very 'dirty' peloton. But he's a thoughtful and intelligent fellow and not one to jump on bandwagons; he will not have made any public statement without having spent time going through the implications.

I wonder whether banning the team for a single positive is a bit OTT but a financial and/or racing penalty for the team when a rider's ban is confirmed may be the way to get team management and sponsors to become stakeholders (in modern parlance) in the sport and its reputation.

The issuing of sanctions by the national federations that have a vested interest in promoting their riders is an area where change must come (notably the RFEC in Spain). The decision should be made solely by WADA or another independent body. The UCI also has a conflict of interest in some cases so perhaps they would have a consultation role.

Unless Pat McQuaid is prepared to have a wholesale shift in attitude then he's going to remain a part of the problem until he leaves the UCI.

The abusive tweet by his son Andrew accusing Greg LeMond of cheating (hastily deleted but visible here) suggests there is more than one McQuaid that needs to be kicked out of the sport. Truly shameful. If he was my agent I would not only drop him like a stone but I'd have to punch him in the face. Hard.

Maybe I missed it but I don't recall Boardman ever using his position as GB's best known cyclist to ever speak out on drugs.
It feels a bit disingenuous when past riders, even clean ones, suddenly find a voice about doped riders.