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Your Scottish and Welsh friends aren't "nearly british", they are british you absolute balloon knot

Nick T wrote:

Your Scottish and Welsh friends aren't "nearly british", they are british you absolute balloon knot

LOL maybe I wasn't clear.. I meant that I think of them all in the same way (which may sound a bit odd, but meh.. ) whether they are British or not. 

100 points for 'ballooon knot', that's a name I've never been called before!

You would do yourself a great service by reading up on the centuries of conflict and oppression that makes your current assumption offensive to a great many Irish people, to begin with it's worth noting that neither the RoI or NI are part of Great Britain. It's akin to considering Ukrainians as "almost Russian" or conflating Bangladeshis as "one of the Indians"

its worth listening to the Bradley Wiggins show podcast,certainly the last episode, I think its fair to say he certainly didnt mean any harm by it.

Awavey wrote:

its worth listening to the Bradley Wiggins show podcast,certainly the last episode, I think its fair to say he certainly didnt mean any harm by it.

But he didn't want to 'claim' Alaphilippe for his stage win yet France is nearer to Dover than Dublin is to Holyhead.

Typical English, assuming everyone around the world would be happier if they were subjugated by some toffs in London.

No he probably didn't mean any harm in it, but the tendency among some English people to "allow" an outsider to be considered "one of us" only when they do well at something is a fine example of how prevelant casual racism is

Nick T wrote:

To begin with it's worth noting that neither the RoI or NI are part of Great Britain. It's akin to considering Ukrainians as "almost Russian" or conflating Bangladeshis as "one of the Indians"

That's because Great Britain is the name of the island that England, Wales and Scotland are on - and the RoI and NI aren't (last time I checked) part of the same island.

Richard D wrote:

Nick T wrote:

To begin with it's worth noting that neither the RoI or NI are part of Great Britain. It's akin to considering Ukrainians as "almost Russian" or conflating Bangladeshis as "one of the Indians"

That's because Great Britain is the name of the island that England, Wales and Scotland are on - and the RoI and NI aren't (last time I checked) part of the same island.

I reckon we're gonna need a diagram for this

Thank you for confirming my point that no part of the island of Ireland or its subjects are british 

English sports fans have a long and noble tradition of cheering for the Welsh, Scots, and even the Irish sometimes, if there isn't an English competitor or team to cheer.  I remember how excited everyone was about Scotland in the "78 football World Cup, or Roche in the '87 Tour.

It's a bit of a shame that the Scots would rather cheer for anyone EXCEPT the English, but nobody ever accused them of being particularly generous.

Richard D wrote:

English sports fans have a long and noble tradition of cheering for the Welsh, Scots, and even the Irish sometimes, if there isn't an English competitor or team to cheer.  I remember how excited everyone was about Scotland in the "78 football World Cup, or Roche in the '87 Tour.

It's a bit of a shame that the Scots would rather cheer for anyone EXCEPT the English, but nobody ever accused them of being particularly generous.

There might be a little bit of history involved there. There's a reason that lots of films have English baddies.

Richard D wrote:

English sports fans have a long and noble tradition of cheering for the Welsh, Scots, and even the Irish sometimes, if there isn't an English competitor or team to cheer.  I remember how excited everyone was about Scotland in the "78 football World Cup, or Roche in the '87 Tour.

It's a bit of a shame that the Scots would rather cheer for anyone EXCEPT the English, but nobody ever accused them of being particularly generous.

have you ever stopped to consider why they absolutely refuse to support the butchers apron?

Rick_Rude wrote:

Cycling clubs will be one of the groups that ignore distancing rules. They were doing it all the time in lockdown and simply not riding with club jerseys.

If they were riding incognito then how did you know they were clubs?

And just how many clubs or groups were caught doing this during lockdown?

All the clubs and individuals I know of - locally and through Strava and numerous online discussions - have been very conscious of their responsibilities and chosen to ride solo. But that won't let that stop people spreading misinformation and hearsay based on Daily Mail-style 'reporting' of isolated incidents.

Same here. I have not seen large groups whilst out and aboyt and also strava stalk lots of people who are involved in clubs and they have either been done in packs of 6 or less or been cancelled for now (most Ive seen is 4). Of course there is always people who flaunt rules and travel across the country for an eye test or attend raves etc, but I suspect most officially sanctioned clubs would abide as they have the most to lose if caught. 

Because 8 strangers people don't randomly ride together all at the same speed.

Rick_Rude wrote:

Cycling clubs will be one of the groups that ignore distancing rules. They were doing it all the time in lockdown and simply not riding with club jerseys. Then again who is going to enforce it. Police were only interested in easy wins during lockdown and once the drunken hordes came back they were doing stuff like taking pictures of a problem and posting it on social meda......didn't actually do anything about it though.

This is the opposite of my experience for my local area, to the point of there being big arguments within my local clubs of whether it was acceptable to go out on your bike at all even on your own. That was too much of course, they were dickheads.

I've just sent out our club newsletter over the race we're planning. It is a team sports event, so it should be ok, I think. We will practice social distancing. Numbers are restricted also.

All the clubs locally to me seem to be complying. The BC guidance document was very clearly written and my club developed a protocol that we're using successfully. Whether you're in club kit or not, if you're BC affiliated, then if you don't follow BC guidance, you won't be insured.

I noticed the same.

The same lads I normally see on club runs all out together but not in club kit.

To be fair it didn't happen much right at the start of lockdown but within a few weeks it was pretty obvious.

Can only speak for my own club (but not on behalf of). During the first stage of lockdown all club rides and activities were suspended completely. Solo riding for daily exercise only.

Laterly we have a maximum 6 per group and separated the meeting points per speed group. Still finish up at the same pub garden at the end of the ride but stick to different tables. No mixing.

I saw very few obviously unrelated cyclists in groups round my way during lockdown. If anything clubs are probably more disciplined than most about observing the restrictions.

Same for my club, 6 limit per group, if you flout the rules don't expect any of the assistance or insurances that normally come from club membership and please don't wear club kit if you choose to ignore guidelines, just like you don't just red lights in club colours. Pretty straightforward advice

Agreed!. I think the snobbery towards peleton is nothing but naivety; there's a market for it, just because you don't belong to that market, there's no reason to beat-down on it. The similarities are almost poetic with aggressive motorists complaining about how road cycling is sh1t! and only a tw@t would want to do it. Symptomatic of the "I'm right, and anyone who doesn't agree is an idiot or the devil!" attitude of recent generations.

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