Near Miss of the Day 543: Punishment pass shot with 360-degree camera

See replies by AlsoSomniloquism and magnatom.

Your first post was playing the man instead of the ball. Quite why nzvegan took it all at face value who knows but then again they do think scotland is part of new zealand.

Quite what your agenda is here is unclear.

dwob wrote:

Links added in my edit, two avoidable incidents. ...

Avoidable incidents? do you mean teh crap overtake? or the distracted driver using their phone? These are indeed both avoidable.

I'm not sure if it was MagnaTom who had a video a few months ago of filtering on a downhill section and a car tries to block and then the owner gets out and punches him. I know they were a Scottish Cyclist. Anyway I'm sure someone came on here with the similar comments then about the cyclist is always looking for trouble and glad he got some. Taht was a first time poster I believe as well.

You are quite right dwob. I did distract a driver from what he was doing. He did subsequently crash. All this is indeed quite correct. What you have failed to point out,is what I distracted him from...Using his phone whilst driving. I'm a very naughty boy, eh?

That was a very fine video.

I remember seeing some of yours of 10 minutes of filtering.

Good Youtube videos.

I've updated my comments above to include two links.
 

I reckon probably 99% of the time you have no blame and good on you but don't lose it or purposely go out your way to confront people. You have a role in two crashes from the links I've posted above. Yes the driver acted first but are you certain these crashes wouldn't of happened without you? In these two cases the drivers crashed into a car (and probably didn't do major injury to people) but what about the next time when a driver runs someone over at a crossing - ask yourself next time if you even want to be 1% responsible for that. Do you also want to be responsible for other cyclists, who might be less controlled, who may mimic your behaviour?

I see you have quite a following, use the platform to explicitly point out the error of drivers' ways railrher than for fame or a few likes.

Ok, let me supply some context. First the full video of the Dail Mail incident (I don't click into the Dail Mail).   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb_NHo39b88

The video cleary demonstrates that the driver is using his mobile phone. I tell him he can't drive safely using it. He tells me I'm cycling 3mph, and that he can drive safely. I catch up again, about to filter past as I do regularly here and the traffic moves. I say the very aggressive words, '3mph remember', then a good 4 or 5 seconds later he accelerates through his own volition, and crashes into the back of the car in front.

So...let's consider this, I've been cycling since 2005. I've been recording my rides and posting videos since 2007. This is the video you try to use to demonstrate that I am looking for trouble.... 

It's obvious for one reason or another you just don't like me. Fair enough. You don't like the fact that I post videos online. Fair enough. Absolutely your right. But you are seriously trying to suggest that I look for trouble and this is your evidence? (You mention another video, which I'm happy for you to go and find, but I'm not searching for it based on your description!). Seriously?!

Further to that, you bring all this up with regards to this article and this particular video? So, if I am looking for trouble, please state clearly how I am doing this here? The only thing I can think of, is you might be angry that I'm not using the cycle lane. Let's say I was lying about the ice (I'm not. It was worse in the morning, it was clearer during this incident, but there were sections full of ice, so best avoided)...even then I have every right to ride on the road, and expect those around me to drive safely. So, what is your actual gripe with this actual incident? If you don't have one, might I suggest, for your own well being, go and find something more productive to do. 

i like you magnatom. the video when it was full of cars in traffic and you shouted out ''YOOHOO!'' at a mini. i found that funny. Is that that same road?

Oh, and P.S. I see you found the other video. Well done. This is the one where I point out how daft a driver was to try and squeeze me out. I then start cycling away, he pulls up next to me to shout at me, he stops looking where he was going, he crashes into the car in front of him. My fault? Aye, right. 

dwob wrote:

Here is one of your videos, right? Two wrongs don't make a right. All I would say is be careful out there - don't be looking for trouble as it will come even without the shouting and banging on cars.

For those looking to check the veracity of my claims after only one post. See below. There is another with a white van man further up the same road. Magatom, do you have the one from Jordanhill handy? It's not big or clever to seek out this stuff. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6491475/Motorist-tells-cyclist-...

I'm a driver (as well as a cyclist) and will as a matter of courtesy to sit well behind cyclist and only less of it is safe by moving    to the other side of the road.

2 wrongs..

1st: a distracted mobile using driver makes a crap dangerous overtake, and then proceeds to crash into another car

2nd wrong: rider shouts "stop risking my life" owtte....

Are these really comparable?.....

Yelling and indicating to a driver to pullover is defined as road rage in Australia.. the driver might get away with the close pass, but a cyclist hurling abuse like this video, could earn a prosecution for road rage.

grOg wrote:

Yelling and indicating to a driver to pullover is defined as road rage in Australia.. the driver might get away with the close pass, but a cyclist hurling abuse like this video, could earn a prosecution for road rage.

I'll be sure not to cycle in Australia.......

So let me get this right from your two pieces of "Evidence" linked.

Cyclists berates drivers for driving illegally and/or  dangerously whilst everyone is stopped still. When traffic moves, he carries on travelling normally. Drivers then decide to berate cyclist whilst stop start traffic is moving and then crashes  or driver decides to accelerate too fast for the conditions and traffic and crashes. But this is all the cyclists fault? Yes the drivers made at least two wrongs in both of those videos. 

dwob wrote:

I know this road very well. I don't doubt the driver was too close but from his videos the cyclist is out looking for trouble every day of the week. His videos have popped up in various articles where he has distracted drivers - who may well be in the wrong - are distracted by him shouting and balling into their cars causing them to crash. There is never an excuse bang on people's cars or chasing them down at the next set of lights to shout at drivers - at that stage it is provocation.

I'm a cyclist and want to get places quickly but cyclists should lead by example in being courteous even if drivers can be terrible!

I wouldn't be airing these.

 

EDIT to respond to skeptics:

To the cyclist, here is one of your videos, right? Two wrongs don't make a right. All I would say is be careful out there - don't be looking for trouble as it will come even without the shouting and banging on cars.

https://youtu.be/0q-NFoEkeag

For those looking to check the veracity of my claims after only one post, here is another video. See below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6491475/Motorist-tells-cyclist-...

I get it drivers are in general terrible, if not getting worse. They do put cyclists in danger and I don't defend them. I also don't defend cyclist that go out to make the problem worse. If talking on the phone is a distraction so is an angry cyclist (even though he has the right to be angry) shouting in the window - crash - case and point! Watch the YouTube link to see it for yourselves. Watch the whole channel and I'm sure there will be other examples of the same.

I'm a driver (as well as a cyclist) and will as a matter of courtesy to sit well behind cyclist and only less of it is safe by moving    to the other side of the road.

I don't think you targetting this guy is good.  You seem happyto let bad driving become normalised.  I am convinced there is a section of the driving population that actually think so long as they don't make contact with a cyclist or their bike, then it is an acceptable pass.  And not all drivers manage to think about these things...

I used to go ballistic when I was close passed, ranting and raving, screaming my head off, obscentities, the lot.

I have toned it down now, I will shout and wave, to demonstrate that I am not happy with being close passed.  I try not to swear, but can't always control myself. 

In my experience every car that is following and sees my reaction gives me an incredible amount of room.  Even if they only do it one time for me, it might just register the next time they come up behind a bike.  

Nothing wrong with venting frustration but chasing after people to abuse them and like one other video recently, don't follow a driver into a carpark or their workplace.. this could result in a criminal prosecution against the cyclist.

It's a bit like dog training, really - you only have to miss half a beat and Fido doesn't understand why he's been told off/given a biscuit. The test in normal times I apply is "would engaging make this a better driver for the next cyclist they encounter?" 

You have a lot of experience of Scottish law in Australia?

dwob wrote:

I know this road very well. I don't doubt the driver was too close but from his videos the cyclist is out looking for trouble every day of the week. His videos have popped up in various articles where he has distracted drivers - who may well be in the wrong - are distracted by him shouting and balling into their cars causing them to crash. There is never an excuse bang on people's cars or chasing them down at the next set of lights to shout at drivers - at that stage it is provocation.

I'm a cyclist and want to get places quickly but cyclists should lead by example in being courteous even if drivers can be terrible!

I wouldn't be airing these.

 

EDIT to respond to skeptics:

To the cyclist, here is one of your videos, right? Two wrongs don't make a right. All I would say is be careful out there - don't be looking for trouble as it will come even without the shouting and banging on cars.

https://youtu.be/0q-NFoEkeag

For those looking to check the veracity of my claims after only one post, here is another video. See below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6491475/Motorist-tells-cyclist-...

I get it drivers are in general terrible, if not getting worse. They do put cyclists in danger and I don't defend them. I also don't defend cyclist that go out to make the problem worse. If talking on the phone is a distraction so is an angry cyclist (even though he has the right to be angry) shouting in the window - crash - case and point! Watch the YouTube link to see it for yourselves. Watch the whole channel and I'm sure there will be other examples of the same.

I'm a driver (as well as a cyclist) and will as a matter of courtesy to sit well behind cyclist and only less of it is safe by moving    to the other side of the road.

Speaking as a driver I ask you how a cyclist can "make the problem worse"

It's my option to overtake, and I will only do soif there is clear gain to be made, AND more importantly if safe for me and the person I'm overtaking. There is not one thing that a rider can do to endanger me. Neither is there anything they can do to make me take action that I don't wish to.

Ultimately, when driving I am responsible for the harm my vehicle can do when it is under my control. Because I understand, accept, and drive as this is the case, I have yet to come into conflict with riders.

Personally, I would be more than happy to drive around this individual as I know I can do so safely without conflict.

Thanks for the video showing the cyclist providing evidence of bad driving by a motorist who wasn't paying attention and crashed into the back of another car

That's always the drivers fault

This is not making the point you think it is

Agreed

Lots of bad driving
Lots of cyclists looking to maximise problems

As the comment says... Look for trouble and it'll find you

Be careful out there

Lots of cyclists - pray, how did you reach that conclusion?

No cyclist has to look for trouble, trouble is constantly present.

Yeah, Dumbarton, in Dunbartonshire, for some reason I had this expalined to me as a kid (my Mum was from Clydebank) and I have never forgotten it

Yeah some of these different views make me feel a bit queasy, similar to the overhead shots we get at Rugby these days flying over the top of a scrum

Rider was too far out from the gutter. If he was closer in the driver would hopefully have given him more room

I'm assuming this was ironic. One useful point is that it's not possible to tell from a forward headcam view the position of the front wheel in the lane. Thr police can't grasp this, either.

Not ironic but truth. Watch the video. 

Yeah if you are too far out you get so old fart try and run you off the road. Then again if you are not far enough out you get some twat squeeze by with oncoming traffic.

He was too far out from the gutter. The driver should at most have tooted

at him to move over rather than pass dangerously. 

Of course. Might is right after all.

edit : it is also lockdown so why is anyone in a hurry to get anywhere?

Alternmatively, as there was plenty of time and space on the road, the driver could have gone further into the other lane. Then everyone is happy. 

That would have been improper use of the horn.