Earlier this month, road.cc reader Andrew sent us this two-year-old clip, predicting it may well start quite a debate about positioning. At the time South Wales Police told him they weren't impressed with his middle of the lane position at the roundabout, and would not be taking action against the driver... and in their latest response to road.cc, the force said the response was "appropriate at that time."
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Below is the original response that Andrew got from South Wales Police, telling him they would not be taking action against the driver, and claiming he was at fault:
Thank you for the submission. We have concerns about your positioning whilst negotiating the roundabout.
It is clear that you have entered in a nearside position but then drifted across to the offside when you are manoeuvring around the roundabout resulting in you being drawn closer to the passing vehicle.
If you had taken the same line as the cyclist behind you, who remained in a nearside position, there would have been no issues. No further action being taken.
Andrew told us he was interested to hear others' thoughts about this, saying "I report many close passes and generally get a good response from operation SNAP in Wales.
"However, my last few have ended in comments criticising the way I ride and end up blaming me. I would be happy to amend my cycling to make it safer for myself but I struggle to see how moving to the 'nearside' position would have prevented this close pass or made it safer to negotiate the roundabout."
As you'll see below many of you did indeed comment, with a number of you suggesting that the police response was wrong because the driver overtook on a roundabout.
It seems that South Wales Police big to differ, however, as their statement to road.cc confirms they will not be commenting further, and that the response was appropriate based on the rules of the Highway Code at that time.
Here is their response to us in full:
This footage shows a time of May 1st 2020, almost two years ago. The response to the report was appropriate at that time.
The response to the complaint states that he cyclist to the rear clearly remained in a nearside position while the complainant drifted into the offside position while negotiating the roundabout.
The response was given according to the Highway Code as it stood then. It is inappropriate to comment upon an event from two years ago with regard to today’s Highway Code.
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Over the years road.cc has reported on literally hundreds of close passes and near misses involving badly driven vehicles from every corner of the country – so many, in fact, that we’ve decided to turn the phenomenon into a regular feature on the site. One day hopefully we will run out of close passes and near misses to report on, but until that happy day arrives, Near Miss of the Day will keep rolling on.
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Personally I'd ride far more to the middle/primary position and in the right lane even before the roundabout.
Roundabouts being exclusively conceived for cars you've got to ride like a car through them.
Otherwise the great danger is being overlooked and run over by a driver (many of whom are stressed out by these installations) focused exclusively on cars and his own direction when you cross his intended exit (in this video, if the driver had wanted to exit to the left while the cyclist wants to go straight).
Highway code seems pretty clear on this:
Rule 186 :
'You should give priority to cyclists on the roundabout. They will be travelling more slowly than motorised traffic. Give them plenty of room and do not attempt to overtake them within their lane. Allow them to move across your path as they travel around the roundabout.'
Rule 187 then goes on to take account of poor positioning:
'In all cases watch out for and give plenty of room to traffic which may be straddling lanes or positioned incorrectly', (Debatable)
I would argue that the cyclist is quite legitimately taking a primary position, possibly so as to prevent an impatient, unsafe overtake.
What kind of muppet overtakes two cyclists at the exit to a roundabout into a single lane?
I haven't read through the whole HC this morning but pretty sure that nowhere does it say: 'fuck'em, get past at any price, and feel free to enter the hatched areas if it gets in the way, (gaining seconds on a cyclist counts as a 'necessary' incursion into the hatched area.)'
I would agree. I'm not sure that the police understand the new Highway Code. Assuming that this is after the update, I would be interested in having a conversation about how they think how what they are watching fits with the new guidance.
I had one recently, although pre update by a couple of weeks. My wife and I were tailgated by a van on a dead straight completely empty road. When I moved ahead the van clearly punishment passes me. The policeman I spoke to pointed out that whilst he 'understood the new Highway Code' that when I pulled ahead I didn't pull over, clearly suggesting that he thought I was to blame because of my road position. I was honestly a bit shocked. All I could say was that it was an empty straight road and he had whole other lane to drive in.
On this evidence, at least one officer doesn't understand the old one either. Use of the hatched area, incorrect lane position and close pass.
I think the suggestion that cyclists should use different lane discipline at roundabouts is insane. 99% of drivers who don't cycle don't know the driving bits of the HC. 99.99% don't know the cycling sections, so it will be news to them that someone staying left might not be using the first exit.
My main method at multi lane roundabouts is to put in a huge early signal, hand going in a bloody great arc, and then take the lane I would in a car. If it's not safe to get in the lane I want, I'll take the exit for the lane I'm in, and sort out the navigation from there.
"you have entered in a nearside position but then drifted across to the offside ... If you had taken the same line as the cyclist behind you, who remained in a nearside position" the driver would have squeezed past you on the roundabout or in the exit.
Enter the roundabout in the offside position and stay there until you've exited and it's safe to pass.
Cyclist position was not good, there are two lanes entering the roundabout, so they should have been over to the left more going around. However, that is only so that vehicles turning right can do so at the same time as a vehicle going ahead. It's not to allow a vehicle to overtake across a junction!
Police are right to advise on road position, but wrong to not prosecute for careless/inconsiderate driving. But then, sun was in their eyes, so basically the driver could do what they like going on past experience!
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