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I did a sportive in wales this year that went up hellfire pass in Snowdonia
it was very very steep,
I had to stand for most of the climb using the 28 on the cassette,
when it went below 12 percent I sat down and tapped out using the 32.
because it was a long climb it was good to be able the use different muscle group to get me to the top.
I plan on doing most of the hillyer sportive in this country maybe I will try changing my climbing style before I go to the expense of changing all the gears.
Personally, I'd find the granny gear on a 11-32 far too "easy". Obviously, it differs from person to person; I switched from a 12-28 to a 12-25, which is great until about a 25% gradient where things start to get a little tricky.
Take it from me that cycling 145 miles from Barnstaple, through Exmoor and all the way back to Bristol with a 12-25 cassette is no fun at all. The hill at Crowcombe was a particular challenge...
I'm switching out to 11-28 next time...
True.. I personally find the 32 useful in the saddle in extremis but what gets me is the gaps in the cassette. Shimano and SRAM 11-32 have 4 teeth between the bottom two cogs, which I find makes the transition in and out of the saddle really jarring often when you least need it... 3 teeth is quite a jump but 4 ?
I liked the 10-speed Shimano 12-30 cassette before, and the Campag cassettes seem to have some decent choice (12-29, 12-30, 13-29) but are generally bloody expensive and i'd have to swap out the freehub (not possible with my current setup) or get a new rear. Those all make more sense to me than the 11-32 I had, which is now swapped out to 11-28 (still not my ideal but hey..).
Frankly I don't care about the 11 that much, I mean it's nice to have but when i'm spinning out a 50x12 i'm already heading north of 65km/h which is fine for the places I find myself in the UK. If I lived in the high mountains, i'm sure i'd feel differently but, alas, I don't. As ever, it's a very personal thing though - each to their own.
May I suggest a different bike choice? The usual reason for going for Canyon is its amazing value. I would hesitate a guess people do not buy it due to having ridden it (and several other models) side-by-side and decided its the best bike (which it may well be, but their selling model means most people buy Canyon on price and reviews)
With the chainring changes, RD change, cassette change, etc its probably going to be cheaper to buy an alternative model that comes with a compact crank?
I've been running an 11-36 on a standard 105 rear derailleur (for cx) fine for a long time. I can only use 16 out of 20 gears but in practice (cross chaining) that's not an issue. So it depends if you want to buy a new rear derailleur or live with losing some gears and saving some cash.
Just ride it and see, making a mountain out of a molehill tbh.
Train a bit more, loose some weight and you won't notice it!
Shimano short cage rear mechs work up to 28t. You'll need a medium cage rear mech.
Not so, some of the newer ones are rated to 30t . I have one (rd-5700) running on a 1x10 with an 11-32 cassette and it works perfectly. Even with a 28t rated mech it would probably cope but the thing you still need to be aware of is the capacity.
will the short cage work with the 11-32 cassette?
i have got a feeling i will have to change that swell
It might not, but you won't know till you try it!
Let us all know whether it works or not.
hope the front can cope too !!!
Thanks again for all your replays
I think I will change the cassette to 11-32 and then buy an 34 inner ring as drmatthewhardy
Suggested,
I just hope the rear derailer that comes with the bike we be able the handle the 32 or I'm in to replacing that as we'll
If its the short cage rear then it will handle the 32t sprocket size but not the overall tooth difference.
(52+32)-(11+34)=39 so you'd need the medium cage mech.
Why not take the chainset off as soon as you get the bike, sell it and replace with a 50/34?
Probably cost less in the long run. You could do that and fit a 12-30 cassette and keep the short cage mech.
that would exceed the max capacity for most front mechs wouldn't it ?
Why not just change the cheaper smaller inner ring to your favoured 34?
That would give you 52/34 and 11/28. Shimano gear set-ups are very tolerant of misfits like this. It should work fine!
Under a tenner at Rose Bikes: http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/shimano-ultegra-fc-6800-chainring/aid...
And if it doesn't work, you've only wasted a tenner.
Running Ultegra 6700 50-34 can I just whip both old chainrings off and replace with the 52-36 or is the BCD of the mid compact the same as 53-39 and not compatible??
Agree with most comments here. 36-28 will get you up most hills no bother, works for me fine and i'm no climber.
36-28 may be enough to get up Huez or Galibier, but it obviously depends on how young and fit you are. I'm 56 years old and have a 30t on the back for my usual rides in the Yorkshire and Derbyshire peaks. I got up both Huez And Galibier climbs on that gearing during six rides in six days in the Alps. But there were times i would have liked a get-out spinning gear when my age caught up with me. This year we are off to the steeper Dolomites and the Stelvio. This time Im going armed with a 34 on the back. Its easy enough to use a chainwhip and put your normal cassette and chain back on when you get home. But all this is for old weary legs like mine. Please ignore if you're a young whippersnapper!
I started with a compact and swapped to a 52-36. I think you'd be able to run a 32 rear cog without changing the rear mech.
That would be a 37 tooth difference, I think most short cage rd have a 32t capacity or thereabouts so probably not.
That would be a 37 tooth difference, I think most short cage rd have a 32t capacity or thereabouts so probably not.
You can get 32 on the Canyon Ultimate CF 9 SL. I think it is the only canyon bike with this gear. Odd really, as they dont even offer it on the endurance models. 52/36 with 11-32 on a 11 speed is a reasonable substitute for a triple, giving a good spread of gears. The key isnt just what the lowest gear gives, it is also the pattern of ratios through the cassette. It is worth thinking what ratios you regularly use on your current setup, and work out how these would translate into your new setup. For example i often use 39/16, on a compact this would be either 34/14 or 50/20. Lots of manufacturers are now giving 11-32 in 2015, this makes more sense with 11 speeds to play with, and starts to make triples seem less necessary.
Going from a 34-32 to 36-28 is likely to change in the way you cycle hills. I'm not sure all of the other comments have spotted that you will be losing on both cogs. With 36-28 it will basically be like your current 34 with the largest cog on the back being a 26 or 27 (26.4 to be precise). Can you climb comfortably with that?
I do a fair bit of weekend mountain climbing (just club, no competitions) here in Japan and I have compact on the front with a 26 largest on the back so it is quite possible - but my cadence is in the 66-78 range (I'm guessing you currently like to spin up a hill at 80?).
I'd happily change to a mid compact (36) on the front with a 28 on the back - I find I swap too often between the front cogs on a compact when things flatten out. So I'd say keep the 52-36 crank and if you want to spin up the hills get a 32 cassette with the Ultegra GS long cage 6800 RD (you can always swap back in the 28 cassette for winter riding!). You'll still be losing a bit to your current set-up but 36-32 isn't as signifigant as a 28
Going from a 34-32 to 36-28 is likely to change in the way you cycle hills. I'm not sure all of the other comments have spotted that you will be losing on both cogs. With 36-28 it will basically be like your current 34 with the largest cog on the back being a 26 or 27 (26.4 to be precise). Can you climb comfortably with that?
I do a fair bit of weekend mountain climbing (just club, no competitions) here in Japan and I have compact on the front with a 26 largest on the back so it is quite possible - but my cadence is in the 66-78 range (I'm guessing you currently like to spin up a hill at 80?).
I'd happily change to a mid compact (36) on the front with a 28 on the back - I find I swap too often between the front cogs on a compact when things flatten out. So I'd say keep the 52-36 crank and if you want to spin up the hills get a 32 cassette with the Ultegra GS long cage 6800 RD (you can always swap back in the 28 cassette for winter riding!). You'll still be losing a bit to your current set-up but 36-32 isn't as signifigant as a 28
At the risk of repeating myself, you're focusing on the chainset but it's the cassette that is going to make the difference here, not 2 more teeth at the front.
With an 11-28 you will be losing your bottom gear, your lowest gear will be pretty much the same as to the second lowest on your current bike. If you can live with that then I wouldn't fret over it.
Thanks for all the great replays on this
The canyon is my dream bike so I can't put my old sram crankset on it,
It does hilight a problem if you r buying a canyon bike, the only model I can buy with a 34/50 crank on is a bike I don't want.
So I'm having to buy the bike I really want, with the gears I don't !
Canyon should look into this because it must put some people off..
The mid-compact makes Canyon even more attractive for me! I run a 53-39 with a 12-27 cassette; I feel a 52-36 will be a better compromise and as the other posters have said you can change the cassette easily
The difference in gear inches between a 36-28 and 34-28 is minimal (36 v 34 funnily enough?). If you can live without your 32 on your compact, you can live without it on the semi. 36-28 is more than enough on Huez or Galibier.
bung the sram chainset on the ultegra bike ... it'll work (look pants mind you !!)
thanks for the replays
i can't keep the same chain set because I'm running sram on my current bike and the new bike is ultegra,
after bikboys comments i mite give the 36/52 ago before i spend the money on the new chainrings and cassette
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