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Evening all. Im new here and would like some thoughts about upgrades. Basically I got into road biking about this time last year and was lucky enough to get a place in Ride London.

Basically the biking bug bit me, pretty hard too. Being of fairly modest means my machine was selected within a certain price point. I went for a Felt F95, not bad for a first 'proper' bike. Now that I've been riding it a year and hope to do a couple of sportives as well as some long weekend rides, I'm looking to upgrade. I'd love to buy a new bike but simply can't afford to spend more than £500ish, at least not for a good few years.

I like the frame of the Felt but think that the components attached to it could be improved. After doing quite a bit of reading up on Wheelsets I had a short list that included Mavic Ksryium (either Elite or Equipe) or something from the Fulcrum Racing range. I'm pretty sure they would be an improvement on the Alex R500 rims in Felt hubs.

Whilst looking at wheelsets I started wondering if I should take a look at groupsets too - something like the Shimano 105 set. I then started thinking; triggers broom or mutton dressed as lamb.

So, the question is (I'll get there in the end). Should I just plump for a wheelset (I think that's where I'll notice the biggest difference) or should I look at the groupset too (not sure how much of a difference that will make).

Note that I'll be doing quite a bit of cycling too so will be getting fitter and stronger - I don't expect component changes to give me benefits without putting work in!

Any thoughts much appreciated. Hope to be on here reasonably often, I promise not to post such long threads in future!

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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pedro1213 | 10 years ago
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check here to see if anything suitable

http://www.carbonbikemanufacture.com/

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matthewn5 | 10 years ago
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I mean the 'shoe', the thing that holds the pads, and the pads. This:>

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shimano-ultegra-brake-shoes-6700/rp-p...

Go with the Fulcrum R3s, you won't regret it, and you can easily swap the freehub for Campag when you win the lottery  3

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joeegg | 10 years ago
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A friend of mine " upgraded " his new carbon bike with new wheels,seat ,seatpost,stem,handlebars,chain,cassette and crankset.He could have bought the higher spec model for half of what he spent on it !

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Man of Lard replied to joeegg | 10 years ago
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Dual post error

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Man of Lard replied to joeegg | 10 years ago
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joeegg wrote:

A friend of mine " upgraded " his new carbon bike with new wheels,seat ,seatpost,stem,handlebars,chain,cassette and crankset.He could have bought the higher spec model for half of what he spent on it !

Perhaps it's an 'opportunity cost' thing? His CFO allowed £x amount to be spent on a bike - and he had a stash extra to spend on an upgrade splurge but had to separate the transactions? Or maybe he didn't want the standard suite of components that come as standard on the upgraded model? (Then again, in that case why not just buy the frame...)

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StraelGuy | 10 years ago
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My two best upgrades were a set of Mavic Aksiums to replace the awful Chinese wheels it came with (so bad the hubs actually felt graunchy from new) and replacing the bottom of the range FSA crankset and square taper bottom bracket with 105 cranks and outboard bottom bracket.

Both well, well within your budget and hugely better than the originals  1 . MrPrice means the bit that holds the pad, not the caliper itself. Once fitted you can just slide out worn pads out and slip new ones in without having to readjust them. Btw, if your calipers are cheapy Tektros, you'll get a big improvement from replacing them with Shimano I know I did! Just bare in mind that if your bike is designed for mudguards, you may need long-drop calipers.

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matthewn5 | 10 years ago
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Pair of Fulcrum Racing 3s and you'll feel like you have a new bike! Stiff, light, reactive. Hunt on Ebay, you can find them around the £200 mark in perfect condition.

Next step, replace the standard brake pads with Ultegra pads in an alloy carrier. That will enormously improve braking. Should cost about £20.

Next, replace the crankset, it's the heaviest part of the groupset, if you go for a 105 or up with outboard bearing cups you'll feel the difference. The old 6600 Ultegra series are good value now, about £65ish on Ebay new.

You can gradually replace the whole groupset with second hand Ultegra 10s, wont break the bank.

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MrPrice replied to matthewn5 | 10 years ago
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drmatthewhardy wrote:

Pair of Fulcrum Racing 3s and you'll feel like you have a new bike! Stiff, light, reactive. Hunt on Ebay, you can find them around the £200 mark in perfect condition.

Next step, replace the standard brake pads with Ultegra pads in an alloy carrier. That will enormously improve braking. Should cost about £20.

Next, replace the crankset, it's the heaviest part of the groupset, if you go for a 105 or up with outboard bearing cups you'll feel the difference. The old 6600 Ultegra series are good value now, about £65ish on Ebay new.

You can gradually replace the whole groupset with second hand Ultegra 10s, wont break the bank.

You posted as I was posting! I'll be buying my stuff from Evans (got some vouchers to spend) so eBay is not really an option.

The wheelset is a toss up between Fulcrum Racing 3 and Mavic Krsyium. Think I'll go for the former.

When you say 'alloy carrier' do you mean a new caliper or just the thing that holds the pads? Newbie question!

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bashthebox | 10 years ago
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Meh, if you've got 500 quid to be spent I'd be looking at getting a whole new bike second hand. Reckon you could get something like a carbon fibre Planet X or Ribble, with a 105 groupset. Problem with your Felt is that for serious riding, pretty much everything could do with being upgraded. Over the course of the next 18 months you'll spend more on random components than yo would have on a new, higher specced bike.
So, second hand. There's such bargains to be found.

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RebornBumbler replied to bashthebox | 10 years ago
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bashthebox wrote:

Meh, if you've got 500 quid to be spent I'd be looking at getting a whole new bike second hand. Reckon you could get something like a carbon fibre Planet X or Ribble, with a 105 groupset. Problem with your Felt is that for serious riding, pretty much everything could do with being upgraded. Over the course of the next 18 months you'll spend more on random components than yo would have on a new, higher specced bike.
So, second hand. There's such bargains to be found.

I disagree - no components are particularly likely to fail over the next 18 months (unless it's crashed) other than tyres/tubes, brake pads and chain.

Arguably the only remotely-necessary replacements are the tyres (and then mainly because it's now winter). The wheels need to be checked (particularly from new) for taut spokes, but are otherwise reasonable.

I'd done many hundred miles on mine before I crashed it, and will undoubtedly do many thousand more. It's currently awaiting nicer weather as I have a Felt F85 with guards and tougher rubber on to ride at present.

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MrPrice replied to RebornBumbler | 10 years ago
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I did consider a groupset change for a while but then thought better of it. The Sora is perfectly fine IMO and I'm not really wanting to change the bike at all. I love the frame and think it is a good one for well selected upgrades.

Wheelset and brakes and I'll stop there. I might consider a different cassette but will stick to the 11-25 for now, interested in seeing how much of a difference the wheelset will make.

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robert.brady | 10 years ago
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If you can push your budget to £550ish, you can get an 11 speed 105 5800 groupset...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shimano-105-5800-11-speed-groupset/rp...

...and a pair of Campagnolo Zondas:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/campagnolo-zonda-clincher-wheelset/

Shouldn't need to change anything there until it wears out. Finishing kit can be replaced as and when you can afford it, then start saving for a better frameset.

Then start the process all over again...

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sincadena | 10 years ago
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Sram do a 9spd 12-26 cassette that could be a happy medium if you don't need the 11... and just about most standard short cage rear gears will do up to 27(campag) or 28(sram /shimano) by adjusting the gear hight screw... you can even manage a 30t by swapping the screw around with some shimano gears

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MrPrice | 10 years ago
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Cheers! Did you need to fit a new rear derailleur when you went to 11-27? I'm assuming a longer cage will be needed on 11-32, not too sure about 11-27.

I actually like the seat and bar tape! Got my eyes on some sora brakes now. Relative newbie question but do the calipers need to be matched to the levers or can you mix'n'match with Shimano?

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RebornBumbler replied to MrPrice | 10 years ago
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MrPrice wrote:

Cheers! Did you need to fit a new rear derailleur when you went to 11-27? I'm assuming a longer cage will be needed on 11-32, not too sure about 11-27.

I actually like the seat and bar tape! Got my eyes on some sora brakes now. Relative newbie question but do the calipers need to be matched to the levers or can you mix'n'match with Shimano?

No - the short cage Sora mech. is certainly fine up to 27/28 - perhaps more.
I fitted a new chain at the time, and tweaked the 'B screw' a tad.

Some caliper/lever incompatibilities exist, but Sora will obviously be OK - I suspect Tiagra would be fine too.

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RebornBumbler | 10 years ago
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I've got the same machine.

First changes for me were the saddle and bar tape as I disliked the originals immediately. Also replaced the cassette (and chain) with an 11-27 as where I live is decidedly lumpy.

After an 'off' I replaced the rims (Mavic CXP22), tyres (Michelin Pro4) and the brake calipers (Sora).
(The original calipers are Tektro, I believe).

I might at some point upgrade the wheels further, but don't think I'd bother with a groupset upgrade (and if I did, I'd look at Tiagra for the best value).

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MrPrice | 10 years ago
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Cheers all, that's really helpful and is pretty aligned to my thinking of wheels first. I failed to note in my original question that I've recently switched from Vittoria Zaffiro slicks to Continental GP 4 Seasons. They seem a step up in quality after a couple of rides.

The other stuff I'll be doing is switching the cassette from a Sunrace 9 speed (11-25) to a Shimano HG50 (also 11-25). Chain will be changed too. I'd bought those before I had a thought about the groupset, always amazes me how many shiny things you can see that turn your head a little. The only thing about the cassette ratio is that I find the compact (50/34) with the 11-25 a little tough on bigger climbs. Hoping that an improved wheelset (with lots of training) will make it easier.

The brake calipers on the stock Felt are unbranded, perhaps I should look there. Don't really want to upgrade for the sake of it (although it is nice to do that!) but do want a step up in quality.

Cheers all! And I realise I've already broken my promise of not posting loads in my responses. I'll be doing some research around the forum, I'm already liking it!

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ChuckB | 10 years ago
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Yeah, it never actually ends, there is always something else to fix...

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Nixster | 10 years ago
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In your shoes I'd be getting some new wheels, Fulcrum Racing 3s probably (although there are some interesting options in the 'best upgrades' article on here too). A big benefit of wheels versus groupset upgrades is that it is easy to move them on to your next bike. And don't forget decent tyres too, they make a big difference.

If there are some obvious cheapskate components in your existing group set then you may have some change for rectifying that. Brake callipers are a common area where some brands try to save money.

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ChuckB | 10 years ago
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This will be one of several thousand opinions, so let me be the first. The first thing you should attack are your wheels and tyres, one of the biggest gains on performance, followed by the brake calipers (105 or Ultegra and Swiss Stop pads), next would be (in order: rear derailleur, brifters and cables (I consider this to be one item), and while you are doing the brifters, treat your self to some nice bar tape). This is a "free" chance to make sure the bars are the right size for you, them the front derailuer, and finally the groupset if you need to. Good shoes and pedals can also help, and fit in anywhere. This list should be overridden with the immediate replacement of anything that is causing you current distress.

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paulrbarnard replied to ChuckB | 10 years ago
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Sounds reasonable but you missed out the final step which is go back to the wheels and start the process over again  16

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