New Guy with another which one of these bikes threads, 3K spend

Oh and your splitting hairs when it comes to 250grams or whatever the hell it is. Your gonna stick 500ml bottles, a whole load of gear in your back pockets and all in all it will not make a huge load off difference. Better wheels and tyres over the Di2 just seems unnecessary and wheels are going to make the big difference.

Just putting it out there, if I had 3k to spend. I'd be getting a steel framed, campag groupo Condor

The canyon, its all black. I like that.

I am no judge but I would not got on what your friends have saidI am just an outsider so this is an Opinion , I have used di2 , winter is a problem with thick gloves I prefer mechanical setup bikes also easyer mantine ,I would recommended a road bike that suite you, I would choose a road bike that is the lightest , stiffest aero position and fast responsive handling out of the lot you have choosing I would chose the Canyon over BMC
For your needs you would Probably more suited for an Ridley Noah rs or emx-5
In order of my chose
1. Ridley
2. Cayo
2. EMX-5
3. Bmc

There's so little between them.

Canyon's got a slightly higher spec saddle, better tyres. It's this year's frameset, as opposed to last years. Oh, and it's got an easier low gear to push.... but these are all little things.

Both amazing bikes. Get the one which excites you the most.

With a £3k budget I'd be looking to specify some seriously good wheels and the best frameset (or full bike with stock wheels), that you could afford..

My reasoning is there are some cracking deals to be had on wheels right now. Your LBS would do a good job building it up for you if you get some of the components from them..

E.g.
Reynolds 46t wheelset £1100 CRC
Campag veloce groupset £355
Fuji SST Frameset £1040 CRC

Beg, borrow or steal the rest!

I'm taking from your budget you're fairly serious about cycling hence my suggestions.. I have no experience of the frame, but can vouch for the groupset and wheels as this is what I ride..

Damnit now I've been lusting over shiny Canyons for too long.

Get the Canyon, but I'd probably swap out the di2 for mechanical, and spend the extra on better wheels.
I'm keeping my eye on the canyon outlet store to get a CF SLX frame at some point.

Defy Advanced / TCR Advanced and some nice wheels. Or a Defy Composite 0 if you want Di2.

I wouldn't choose any of those in your list. But it's your money (which is why I find these 'which bike?' posts a bit strange), though I very much doubt there are any lemons when you're paying £2,500-£3,000 for a bicycle.

I wouldn't dwell on small differences in bike weight either - you don't "need" a sub-8kg bike. To get uphill faster you need to press harder on the pedals. Shedding 4kg from the rider would help a lot more than reducing the bike's weight by 500g, which is the weight of a bottle of water.

Any of those will do. I would suggest you save some money on the groupset and spend it on better wheels.

I have no experience, only dreams... but the S5 has an ugly arse. The Canyon is elegant and stylish in black, you don't want to spend that money and have puke green stripes on it. Don't make 'marginal gains' the be all and end of of your choice. Whatever you get you will get a hell of a bike and for the money you should expect a good spec and light wheels, after all you have already specified your own weight target.

I am glad at least someone is clicking on the adverts and spending money.

Only one choice really.

Cervelo S5

At that sort of budget i'd definitely go by what fits you well. I'd also look at interval training rather than just miles and miles of riding. Talk to a good local shop or independent bike fitting service and get measured up properly, then find a good coach. I've not done either yet, other than the saddle my CAAD10 and I are getting along well.

as suggested in another thread, fit first, then short list based on geometry. then look at components. Wheels are one of the biggest influences on weight, swapping mine dropped my bike weight 700g for £400 including tyres.